Santi Cazorla

[Bazzmand Show]

because maybe, just maybe he isnt as good as most people like to think he is, not doubting that he is a good player but much like kagawa if he was that good then their would be significantly more people in for him.

Wenger and Ferguson are no oracles or geniuses occassionally they pull a youngster out of the wilderness like fabregas or ronaldo but fact is carzola is 27 if he was that good hed be at RM or Barca by now.

Silva has never played for Barcelona or Real Madrid, hence he is not as good as everyone rates him. That logic doesn't work, there isn't an unlimited amount of squad space at these two clubs and just because a player isn't at Barcelona or Real Madrid doesn't mean they aren't class.

Silva also joined us when he was 24, Cazorla will be 28 in December. A very good player, but at that age is he going to improve significantly? No.

 

[Scotland_WC2010]

because maybe, just maybe he isnt as good as most people like to think he is, not doubting that he is a good player but much like kagawa if he was that good then their would be significantly more people in for him.

Wenger and Ferguson are no oracles or geniuses occassionally they pull a youngster out of the wilderness like fabregas or ronaldo but fact is carzola is 27 if he was that good hed be at RM or Barca by now.

Silva has never played for Barcelona or Real Madrid, hence he is not as good as everyone rates him. That logic doesn't work, there isn't an unlimited amount of squad space at these two clubs and just because a player isn't at Barcelona or Real Madrid doesn't mean they aren't class.

Silva also joined us when he was 24, Cazorla will be 28 in December. A very good player, but at that age is he going to improve significantly? No.

That's the only thing I was trying to say, that he is a very good player. There's no need for major improvement.

 

[mancboy123]

Let me ask you this as a malaga player how frequently have u seen him play. This assumption that he is a super player seems to be predicated on the fact that he gets in the spain squad.

I wont be surprised if the players turn out to be good i will be surprised if they significantly improve ur team as its ur back four and complete lack of a solid defensive midfielder that plagues arsenal not their ability to attack.

 

[Edwaardz]

I'm hoping that we're waiting for Isco to become available...

 

[LoveCity]

Let me ask you this as a malaga player how frequently have u seen him play. This assumption that he is a super player seems to be predicated on the fact that he gets in the spain squad.

Cazorla dragged a pretty average Malaga side into the Champions League last season and was by far their best player. His productivity for them was incredible, he is a top talent and the whole "but he isn't at Real/Barca" thing is poor logic considering how many excellent players have never played for them or have been practically kicked out by them (such as the spine of Mourinho's Inter team that won the Champions League, something Real haven't done in about a decade... and let's not forget Yaya who was pushed into a bit part role by Barca).

 

[mancboy123]

thats fair im just of the opinion that if he was that good for 12.5 thered be lots more interested.

 

[mike channon´s windmill]

Let me ask you this as a malaga player how frequently have u seen him play. This assumption that he is a super player seems to be predicated on the fact that he gets in the spain squad.

Cazorla dragged a pretty average Malaga side into the Champions League last season and was by far their best player. His productivity for them was incredible, he is a top talent and the whole "but he isn't at Real/Barca" thing is poor logic considering how many excellent players have never played for them or have been practically kicked out by them (such as the spine of Mourinho's Inter team that won the Champions League, something Real haven't done in about a decade... and let's not forget Yaya who was pushed into a bit part role by Barca).

Spot on - without him they would have got nowhere near CL last season and lets face it they scraped through with less than 60 points!
Sorry but I hope Malaga crash and burn and join those other imposters Villarreal in La Segunda

 

[blink922]

Highly doubt it, but is this his real twitter account?

<a class="postlink" href="https://twitter.com/SCazorla12" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://twitter.com/SCazorla12</a>

 

[mike channon´s windmill]

Highly doubt it, but is this his real twitter account?

<a class="postlink" href="https://twitter.com/SCazorla12" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://twitter.com/SCazorla12</a>

Looks like it - says in Spanish he is now officially a Tarquino

 

[carlos tevez is a blue]

Highly doubt it, but is this his real twitter account?

<a class="postlink" href="https://twitter.com/SCazorla12" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://twitter.com/SCazorla12</a>

He Tweets more than Fbloke.

 

[Rana]

Highly doubt it, but is this his real twitter account?

<a class="postlink" href="https://twitter.com/SCazorla12" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://twitter.com/SCazorla12</a>

Fake






It's incredible how underrated is Cazorla among english fans. He was the main STAR and the "franchise player" at Villareal and Malaga(champions league teams). 47 caps for Spain.

Now think about the best player in teams like Arsenal or Liverpool. That was his role in their last teams.
People in England will discover a player that they didn't know and then they will say "oh, he has improved a lot this year".

 

[mancityscot]

not a chance that his real account. he'd have more than 8,000 folowers for a start.

 

[blink922]

not a chance that his real account. he'd have more than 8,000 folowers for a start.

That's what I figured. Recent join date (around a time when speculation was starting), no verified status and a low amount of followers.

If he ends up at the Arse for only 12.5m we've really missed a trick. Great player.

 

[SuperbiaInProlelio]

Think Cazorla is better than Nasri tbh.

The reason we are interested in Sahin is because of Jack's injury. If he was fit in pre-season we wouldnt have any interest.

Not trying to revive a dead argument, but I just got home from work and feel as if I missed all the fun.

Anyways, with fairly similar minutes Cazorla (44 starts, 10 subs) logged 11 goals and 6 assists, while Nasri (46 starts, 9 subs) got 7 goals and 11 assists in all competition. Considering that Cazorla was the focal point of his offensive play making, and according to a previous poster, and was by far" the best player for Malaga, I'd take Nasri every day. He had similar statistics with a smaller percentage of ball usage against generally superior competition to Cazorla.

Not to say that Cazorla, isn't a good player, just that he isn't good enough for City. He should play well for Arsenal, just don't expect that trophy-less drought to end soon.

 

[Rana]

Think Cazorla is better than Nasri tbh.

The reason we are interested in Sahin is because of Jack's injury. If he was fit in pre-season we wouldnt have any interest.

Not trying to revive a dead argument, but I just got home from work and feel as if I missed all the fun.

Anyways, with fairly similar minutes Cazorla (44 starts, 10 subs) logged 11 goals and 6 assists, while Nasri (46 starts, 9 subs) got 7 goals and 11 assists in all competition. Considering that Cazorla was the focal point of his offensive play making, and according to a previous poster, and was by far" the best player for Malaga, I'd take Nasri every day. He had similar statistics with a smaller percentage of ball usage against generally superior competition to Cazorla.

Not to say that Cazorla, isn't a good player, just that he isn't good enough for City. He should play well for Arsenal, just don't expect that trophy-less drought to end soon.

Sometimes statistics mean nothing.

Look at Iniesta.Now look at Michu. Or Kaka, who was horrible despite getting a lot of goals and assists in rubbish matches.
Michu > Iniesta? :P

 

[Dax777]

Think Cazorla is better than Nasri tbh.

The reason we are interested in Sahin is because of Jack's injury. If he was fit in pre-season we wouldnt have any interest.

Not trying to revive a dead argument, but I just got home from work and feel as if I missed all the fun.

Anyways, with fairly similar minutes Cazorla (44 starts, 10 subs) logged 11 goals and 6 assists, while Nasri (46 starts, 9 subs) got 7 goals and 11 assists in all competition. Considering that Cazorla was the focal point of his offensive play making, and according to a previous poster, and was by far" the best player for Malaga, I'd take Nasri every day. He had similar statistics with a smaller percentage of ball usage against generally superior competition to Cazorla.

Not to say that Cazorla, isn't a good player, just that he isn't good enough for City. He should play well for Arsenal, just don't expect that trophy-less drought to end soon.

Carzola can surely make the City team easily! We wouldn't get all the good players, but this notion that some fantastic players are not good enough for City is silly.

 

[SuperbiaInProlelio]

Carzola can surely make the City team easily! We wouldn't get all the good players, but this notion that some fantastic players are not good enough for City is silly.

He might be able to make the team, but I would very strongly argue he wouldn't get regular starts over Nasri and Silva. For me, if he isn't starting he would be taking a non-homegrown spot that a more valuable player could be occupying. And I believe City is trying to establish a long-term dynasty, and that means only young players to develop or players of the absolute highest quality, and personally I do not believe Cazorla meets the standard.

Sometimes statistics mean nothing.

Look at Iniesta.Now look at Michu. Or Kaka, who was horrible despite getting a lot of goals and assists in rubbish matches.
Michu > Iniesta? :P

I see your point, football is one of the worst sports for being gauged by statistics. But having been raised on diet of purely American football and basketball as a youth, I tend to lean heavily on stats. Besides, you need some concrete form of measuring the performance of offensive players. And I would content that stats for goals and assists are more often than not a legitimate means of measuring performance.

 

[Tony101]

Highly doubt it, but is this his real twitter account?

<a class="postlink" href="https://twitter.com/SCazorla12" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://twitter.com/SCazorla12</a>

Fake






It's incredible how underrated is Cazorla among english fans. He was the main STAR and the "franchise player" at Villareal and Malaga(champions league teams). 47 caps for Spain.

Now think about the best player in teams like Arsenal or Liverpool. That was his role in their last teams.
People in England will discover a player that they didn't know and then they will say "oh, he has improved a lot this year".

Malaga? if he's that good why is he not at Real or Barca?
He's 27 and has never played in a big club
Anyway Silva and Nasri is younger than him and at 27 he's already an old guy
If he was that good more clubs would come in for him.

Im a sad football fan, because I love to flick through different football forum and the reaction English fans have to Cazorla says everything thats wrong with football. we are obsessed with big names and if we dont know the player we argue he cant be that good because I would have known about him.

SuperbiaInProlelio

Is the perfect example of football fan who hasnt heard of a footballer, look up his age, his stats and the clubs he has played for and is ready to argue with anyone of how good he is, despite never seen him play. Its just amazing how he's so convincing in his argument despite not knowing the player. its the mentality of if he was any good I would have heard of him.

Anyway here's my vie on him
He is better than nasri and imo quite a bit better. i dont care iof nasri is couple of years younger, he will never has the vision and feel for the game cazorla has. There isnt one aspect of football i can think of Nasri being better. Nasris two strongest aspect is his ability of keeping possession and how two footed he is.

Well Cazorla is better at keeping possession. And as far as being two footed goes, I honestly do not know any player thats more two footed than Cazorla. the guy take freekicks with both feet. How many players are comfortable at taking freekicks with both feet depend on the angle?

As far as Silva goes, they are quite bit different. i would say Silva is more of a final third player while Cazorla is better playmaker(I expect people to jump on me for saying he's better playmaker than Silva)

Put it this way when Xavi is not playing for Spain Del Boque dont look at Silva or fabregas for that position. He plays Cazorla. he's better than Silva at controlling the game and has more passing range.

Silva is better in the final third and better in tighter space around the penalty area. Your last quote is so correct about PL fans. Silva has improved, but he was already fantastic player when City signed him. But after 2-3 months at City when English fans have seen what he can do, suddenly he's a player and everything he did in Spain didnt count. Suddenly he has proved he can play at the highest level.

As far as people thinking Im bigging him up or call me a gooner lol. We should keep this thread alive and see how well he does. i would bet anything people in here will rate him higher than nasri, mata and hazard by the end of the season.

Also I hate how 27 year olds are old suddenly. 27 means a player thats entering his prime

 

[adrianr]

Whether Carzola is better than Nasri or not is completely irrelevant, and most of you are missing the most obvious flaw. We can't sell a player we've had for one season every time a *slightly* better player comes on the market. You shouldn't do it with anyone.

Carzola is a fantastic player, I've no doubt he'll be brilliant for Arsenal. Good enough to warrant shifting one of our own to bring him in? No. We can't buy every single above average player that comes on the market, people have to accept that some will end up at rival clubs (which doesn't suddenly make them shit either).

 

[Neville Kneville]

Whether Carzola is better than Nasri or not is completely irrelevant, and most of you are missing the most obvious flaw. We can't sell a player we've had for one season every time a *slightly* better player comes on the market. You shouldn't do it with anyone.

Carzola is a fantastic player, I've no doubt he'll be brilliant for Arsenal. Good enough to warrant shifting one of our own to bring him in? No. We can't buy every single above average player that comes on the market, people have to accept that some will end up at rival clubs (which doesn't suddenly make them shit either).

The most obvious flaw is that we have a manager who chooses the players (thank God) & it's upto him whether he thinks we need Carzola.

If he does, we will sign him. If he doesn't, perhaps we'll just have to make do with the players he signed, who won the league, instead.