Sara Sharif

69FACUPfinal said:
And me neither. Infact I said it to my OH last night that I hope they take the law into their own hands when he gets locked up. I bet any money he cites mental health issues and gets solitary where in theory, he is safe.
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If he had any self respect he would save us all the trouble!
 
I have purposely avoided posting too much in this thread, it was opened on the 15th October 2024 and has ran to 9 pages in the months following. It Shames us all.
 
hilts said:
I have purposely avoided posting too much in this thread, it was opened on the 15th October 2024 and has ran to 9 pages in the months following. It Shames us all.
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Poor Isabella Jonas-Wheildon didn’t even get a thread….

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c07gzr5r9eko


As you say, it does indeed shame us all.

The other problem is people think this is a rarity and are thus outraged for a week or two.
Truth is child abuse happens every single day and is, almost always, done by somebody known to the child.
1 child a week is murdered in this country and children under 1 are the most likely age group to be murdered. Child homicides are most commonly done by the childs parent or step-parent.

The NSPCC estimates that 1 in 20 children are victims of sexual abuse and over a third of ALL police recorded sex crimes are against children, with, once again, the vast majority committed by people well known to the children.

Some 2024 figures.

50,000 kids are the subject of child protection plans.

400,000 are identified as ‘children in need’ (needing help or protection as a result of developmental or health needs), with over 50% of these a result of ‘abuse or neglect’.

621,000 referrals to children’s social services hits hardly surprising many slip through the net).

225,000 section 47 enquiries carried out (section 47 is ‘reasonable cause that a child may be suffering).

For everyone blaming social services imagine your child had had a week or two of falling off their bike, which resulted in a hospital visit or 2. Now imagine social services turning up and taking that child away for 3 nights, until convinced you were telling the truth and there was no need to worry. How do you react?

I think I know the answer for most of us but, until we can come up with a proper plan to address this stuff it will continue happening and, until we can all somehow accept a visit from social services or an enquiry from the school regarding possible suspicions, without diving off the deep end, I fear it will never alter.
 
Listening to the judges summation of the case. I can't recall ever hearing of such cruel things done to a defenceless child. The word torture is inadequate to describe what they did. Its simply beyond comprehension and extremely upsetting.
I thought a whole life term would have been warranted for the father, but unfortunately hes only got 40 years. I truly hope he gets total hell in jail, hopefully every day.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
If the murder of this little girl doesn't warrant a whole life term, what on earth does?
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The judge explained the case didn't reach the threshold for a whole life sentence as it wasn't sadistically or sexually motivated and a minimum of 30 years tariff was applicable.

However due to aggravating circumstances and the severity of the sustained beatings Sara took from her father was given a minimum of 40 years and her stepmother 33 years

Really upsetting hearing what they did to her. Fucking monsters and both will almost certainly die in prison
 
denislawsbackheel said:
Letby’s crimes were not sexually motivated.
She got 15 whole life terms.

And how on earth were Sara’s assaults not sadistically motivated
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Agree in fact for me put a bullet in all three so we do t have to fund their time in prison, it’s been proved beyond doubt what they did, they will never be reformed and are a drain in society time to put them to sleep.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Agree in fact for me put a bullet in all three so we do t have to fund their time in prison, it’s been proved beyond doubt what they did, they will never be reformed and are a drain in society time to put them to sleep.
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Hasn't there been questions raised about Letby's convictions?

news.sky.com

Lucy Letby's lawyers to share 'new evidence' they claim 'significantly undermines' convictions

Lucy Letby's new lawyer Mark McDonald will hold a news conference later today, when he will share "new evidence, which significantly undermines the convictions".
news.sky.com news.sky.com
 
denislawsbackheel said:
Letby’s crimes were not sexually or sadistacally motivated.
She got 15 whole life terms.

And how on earth were Sara’s assaults not sadistically motivated
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They weren't sexually motivated but it was deemed she got pleasure murdering those poor babies and had a so called "god" complex so that can be classed as sadistically motivated. It was also pre-meditated murder.

The judge in Sara case accepted the parents didn't partake in pre-meditated murder
 
kippaxwarrior said:
The judge explained the case didn't reach the threshold for a whole life sentence as it wasn't sadistically or sexually motivated and a minimum of 30 years tariff was applicable.

However due to aggravating circumstances and the severity of the sustained beatings Sara took from her father was given a minimum of 40 years and her stepmother 33 years

Really upsetting hearing what they did to her. Fucking monsters and both will almost certainly die in prison
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I fully understand that and listened to the judges summation. He clearly thought his hands were tied with respect to a whole life order. The question I have is how were these atrocious actions not classed as sadistic?

That summation was a very hard listen, my heart goes out to the police and ambulance service and other people who have to deal with these sorts of cases. Massive respect to them for carrying out such a professional job in these circumstances. It must leave some with mental health scars if thats the right words?
 
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kippaxwarrior said:
The judge explained the case didn't reach the threshold for a whole life sentence as it wasn't sadistically or sexually motivated and a minimum of 30 years tariff was applicable.

However due to aggravating circumstances and the severity of the sustained beatings Sara took from her father was given a minimum of 40 years and her stepmother 33 years

Really upsetting hearing what they did to her. Fucking monsters and both will almost certainly die in prison
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Assuming you have listened to horrendous catalogue of torture and injuries he inflicted on his own daughter, what more do you think he would have have had to do for the crime to have been characterised by the judge as sadistically motivated? There isn't anything surely?
 
kippaxwarrior said:
They weren't sexually motivated but it was deemed she got pleasure murdering those poor babies and had a so called "god" complex so that can be classed as sadistically motivated. It was also pre-meditated murder.

The judge in Sara case accepted the parents didn't partake in pre-meditated murder
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Good points, but it's a very fine line isn't it. That said I suspect he will die in jail.
 
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