Sarah Everard murder | Wayne Couzens given whole-life sentence

[city2]

Waste of a skin

 

[SWP's back]

Who has said 130000 coppers can't be trusted? No one.

Vast majority are truly heroic? Really?

The irony of a post full of hyperbole complaining about hyperbole

Look who posted it though.

 

[FantasyIreland]

This whole job is heart breaking-for Sarah and her family and for the damage done to the frontline cops who are overwhelmingly the most brave and decent people you could meet and you have absolutely no reason to fear-unless you are engaging in criminal behaviour.

Couzens is a monster. Monsters exist in all walks of life. Should he have been outed before? Without doubt.
When I joined, police visited your house, spoke to your family.
That changed to phone calls.
Nowadays even that can be over looked.
One cannot excuse these failings-but there is undoubtedly a link between over a decade of cuts to police-600 police stations closed, tens of thousands of experienced officers gone under A19. Its quite often kids managing kids on the frontline-and for a starting salary of 19k for a relentless, hard job when you are more often than not single crewed.
Most police do their utmost to get off frontline uniformed work asap-the abuse, the risks, the endless jobs with no time to follow up and investigate; the long shifts, nights, weekends-and with increasing levels of violence towards police, its only getting harder.

This cannot simply be a political football, which results in a race to slag off police and put fear into every woman in this country.

There is opportunity for change:
Vetting needs a complete overhaul.
In my force you conducted integrity health checks with your staff as part of their appraisal-anyone putting offensive material on social media/whats app-must be sacked. Integrity and honesty underpins all that we do.
Training/Recruitment/Promotion processes are piece meal and often not fit for purpose-start with improving pay and conditions, return to proper disciplined regional training centres where drill is taught and exam failure has consequence. Thorough psychometric testing should be revisited throughout the probationary period aside regular assessment as a safety net.

Taking your equipment home was a disciplinary matter in my force-cuffs, cs, asp-should be locked away and secured at the officer's station-there is no reason to have it after work.

Nieighbourhood policing has all but vanised as a result of the cuts-this loses vital contact with the community and community leaders-all that is often left are response cops racing from one call to the next with no time to give a proper service.

Officers are predominately single crewed. This puts the officer in risk during every enounter with a criminal, at every stop, especially stopping a vehicle. There has always been a call from the ranks to double crew at all times-and this may be one positive to come from this awful crime. But it will need probably 40-60,000 new recruits-and that is expensive.

My advice to single women if stopped? Most times these will be low level-a stop in your car or an interation in the street or a shop for instance.

I'd ask them to confirm their identity; name, warrant number (ask to see the warrant card), their station and ask them to make an audible transmission on their radio. All officers would be happy to oblige. If in a vehicle, turn the engine off and remove the keys-officers will ask you to do this because several officers have been killed by being dragged by cars they have stopped.

An officer MUST be in uniform to stop a vehicle.

If in a secluded area whilst on foot ask to walk to a better lit and populated area.

You can also ask the officer to request another officer joins you-a male should not be searching a female.

I would advise against resisting arrest or running/driving off-because they are criminal offences (as is failing to stop a motor vehicle for a uniformed officer)-but there is nothing to prevent you asking the officer to follow you (if in car) to the nearest station or again asking another officer to join you.

I understand the Met have already moved to plain clothes officers working in pairs.

Couzens has tarnished the whole of the policing family. The fall out will and should be huge. It is my opinion that Cressida Dick should resign.

Great comment,Bert.

Speaking from experience and without hyperbole.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

This whole job is heart breaking-for Sarah and her family and for the damage done to the frontline cops who are overwhelmingly the most brave and decent people you could meet and you have absolutely no reason to fear-unless you are engaging in criminal behaviour.

Couzens is a monster. Monsters exist in all walks of life. Should he have been outed before? Without doubt.
When I joined, police visited your house, spoke to your family.
That changed to phone calls.
Nowadays even that can be over looked.
One cannot excuse these failings-but there is undoubtedly a link between over a decade of cuts to police-600 police stations closed, tens of thousands of experienced officers gone under A19. Its quite often kids managing kids on the frontline-and for a starting salary of 19k for a relentless, hard job when you are more often than not single crewed.
Most police do their utmost to get off frontline uniformed work asap-the abuse, the risks, the endless jobs with no time to follow up and investigate; the long shifts, nights, weekends-and with increasing levels of violence towards police, its only getting harder.

This cannot simply be a political football, which results in a race to slag off police and put fear into every woman in this country.

There is opportunity for change:
Vetting needs a complete overhaul.
In my force you conducted integrity health checks with your staff as part of their appraisal-anyone putting offensive material on social media/whats app-must be sacked. Integrity and honesty underpins all that we do.
Training/Recruitment/Promotion processes are piece meal and often not fit for purpose-start with improving pay and conditions, return to proper disciplined regional training centres where drill is taught and exam failure has consequence. Thorough psychometric testing should be revisited throughout the probationary period aside regular assessment as a safety net.

Taking your equipment home was a disciplinary matter in my force-cuffs, cs, asp-should be locked away and secured at the officer's station-there is no reason to have it after work.

Nieighbourhood policing has all but vanised as a result of the cuts-this loses vital contact with the community and community leaders-all that is often left are response cops racing from one call to the next with no time to give a proper service.

Officers are predominately single crewed. This puts the officer in risk during every enounter with a criminal, at every stop, especially stopping a vehicle. There has always been a call from the ranks to double crew at all times-and this may be one positive to come from this awful crime. But it will need probably 40-60,000 new recruits-and that is expensive.

My advice to single women if stopped? Most times these will be low level-a stop in your car or an interation in the street or a shop for instance.

I'd ask them to confirm their identity; name, warrant number (ask to see the warrant card), their station and ask them to make an audible transmission on their radio. All officers would be happy to oblige. If in a vehicle, turn the engine off and remove the keys-officers will ask you to do this because several officers have been killed by being dragged by cars they have stopped.

An officer MUST be in uniform to stop a vehicle.

If in a secluded area whilst on foot ask to walk to a better lit and populated area.

You can also ask the officer to request another officer joins you-a male should not be searching a female.

I would advise against resisting arrest or running/driving off-because they are criminal offences (as is failing to stop a motor vehicle for a uniformed officer)-but there is nothing to prevent you asking the officer to follow you (if in car) to the nearest station or again asking another officer to join you.

I understand the Met have already moved to plain clothes officers working in pairs.

Couzens has tarnished the whole of the policing family. The fall out will and should be huge. It is my opinion that Cressida Dick should resign.

Eloquently stated.

Cuts, cuts and more cuts serves no-one, except those that would do us harm.

Police should be able to walk, drive, or cycle around with almost nothing to do. Indeed, I would never equate being a frontline copper with my own job, but there are a few sayings we have that seem to fit:

“Hours of boredom punctuated by moments of high drama.” (We actually say “sheer terror” to be honest, but I don’t want to spool anyone up or give the wrong impression!), and

“I don’t get paid for what I DO do every day. I get paid for what I CAN do every day.”

That’s how a policeman’s life should be, as opposed to one long sequence of drama-filled moments, and having to do the hard stuff all the time, instead of infrequently.

I know it’s not a job I would want, so my hat is off to those that choose the profession and serve the public trust with honour and integrity.

 

[bluwes]

Show me where anyone has said that

PLATELL'S PEOPLE: I fear many women will never trust police again | Daily Mail Online

 

[BobKowalski]

This whole job is heart breaking-for Sarah and her family and for the damage done to the frontline cops who are overwhelmingly the most brave and decent people you could meet and you have absolutely no reason to fear-unless you are engaging in criminal behaviour.

Couzens is a monster. Monsters exist in all walks of life. Should he have been outed before? Without doubt.
When I joined, police visited your house, spoke to your family.
That changed to phone calls.
Nowadays even that can be over looked.
One cannot excuse these failings-but there is undoubtedly a link between over a decade of cuts to police-600 police stations closed, tens of thousands of experienced officers gone under A19. Its quite often kids managing kids on the frontline-and for a starting salary of 19k for a relentless, hard job when you are more often than not single crewed.
Most police do their utmost to get off frontline uniformed work asap-the abuse, the risks, the endless jobs with no time to follow up and investigate; the long shifts, nights, weekends-and with increasing levels of violence towards police, its only getting harder.

This cannot simply be a political football, which results in a race to slag off police and put fear into every woman in this country.

There is opportunity for change:
Vetting needs a complete overhaul.
In my force you conducted integrity health checks with your staff as part of their appraisal-anyone putting offensive material on social media/whats app-must be sacked. Integrity and honesty underpins all that we do.
Training/Recruitment/Promotion processes are piece meal and often not fit for purpose-start with improving pay and conditions, return to proper disciplined regional training centres where drill is taught and exam failure has consequence. Thorough psychometric testing should be revisited throughout the probationary period aside regular assessment as a safety net.

Taking your equipment home was a disciplinary matter in my force-cuffs, cs, asp-should be locked away and secured at the officer's station-there is no reason to have it after work.

Nieighbourhood policing has all but vanised as a result of the cuts-this loses vital contact with the community and community leaders-all that is often left are response cops racing from one call to the next with no time to give a proper service.

Officers are predominately single crewed. This puts the officer in risk during every enounter with a criminal, at every stop, especially stopping a vehicle. There has always been a call from the ranks to double crew at all times-and this may be one positive to come from this awful crime. But it will need probably 40-60,000 new recruits-and that is expensive.

My advice to single women if stopped? Most times these will be low level-a stop in your car or an interation in the street or a shop for instance.

I'd ask them to confirm their identity; name, warrant number (ask to see the warrant card), their station and ask them to make an audible transmission on their radio. All officers would be happy to oblige. If in a vehicle, turn the engine off and remove the keys-officers will ask you to do this because several officers have been killed by being dragged by cars they have stopped.

An officer MUST be in uniform to stop a vehicle.

If in a secluded area whilst on foot ask to walk to a better lit and populated area.

You can also ask the officer to request another officer joins you-a male should not be searching a female.

I would advise against resisting arrest or running/driving off-because they are criminal offences (as is failing to stop a motor vehicle for a uniformed officer)-but there is nothing to prevent you asking the officer to follow you (if in car) to the nearest station or again asking another officer to join you.

I understand the Met have already moved to plain clothes officers working in pairs.

Couzens has tarnished the whole of the policing family. The fall out will and should be huge. It is my opinion that Cressida Dick should resign.

Good points being made here.

 

[everythingchangesbutblue]

No “whoosh,” just an acknowledgement that each period of society has its foibles.

Also, I love how righteous and woke all the old farts on here like to talk…as if they were so righteous and woke in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and such.

Societies change, hopefully advancing, but to not acknowledge that some of the traits for which we sneer at people today were the norm…as in most people shared them…is intellectually dishonesty.

As always, though, for the sake of argument, corners have been staked out and must now be defended.

Too busy, not interested. Glad the fucker won’t see the light of day and I hope “Whole Life” means “before 2022 is up.”

"Woke" ffs mate give the social media a rest.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I wonder how the poor soul who hosted her that evening is struggling to cope. An innocent party who probably shoulders much more guilt about her death than anyone, and far, far more than they should as well.

Like so many others at that time, bending the rules around lockdown after many dark, depressing months - in an entirely understandable and pretty harmless way; what if I’d poured her another drink, or one less?; what if I’d have invited her round the day before, or the one after?

What if?…

The way that predatory **** was patrolling the streets, looking for someone to chance upon must play on their minds terribly. If she’d left a couple of minutes earlier, or later, she’d probably be alive today. A truly awful burden to endure.

We all like to think we’re in control, but we’re not. Not really. Fate can throw these cruel twists our way, in the blink no of an eye, like the changing of the wind.

So many lives ruined by this selfish, twisted ****.

 

[Nebuchadnezzar]

I wonder how the poor soul who hosted her that evening is struggling to cope. An innocent party who probably shoulders much more guilt about her death than anyone, and far, far more than they should as well.

Like so many others at that time, bending the rules around lockdown after many dark, depressing months - in an entirely understandable and pretty harmless way; what if I’d poured her another drink, or one less?; what if I’d have invited her round the day before, or the one after?

What if?…

The way that predatory **** was patrolling the streets, looking for someone to chance upon must play on their minds terribly. If she’d left a couple of minutes earlier, or later, she’d probably be alive today. A truly awful burden to endure.

We all like to think we’re in control, but we’re not. Not really. Fate can throw these cruel twists our way, in the blink no of an eye, like the changing of the wind.

So many lives ruined by this selfish, twisted ****.

Absolutely correct. On another day or another time it could even have happened to the host, too. Haunting thoughts.

 

[hilts]

PLATELL'S PEOPLE: I fear many women will never trust police again | Daily Mail Online

Daily mail online okay I will give you that one:-)