Scottish independence

[the god Gerry Gow]

Welsh next I reckon...................

We live in hope - the least popular of all the kingdoms in the eyes of the English I would say. (Now where's that key for my cottage in Snowdonia).

Least it will be nice and warm when you get back to it

 

[M18CTID]

Welsh next I reckon...................

We live in hope - the least popular of all the kingdoms in the eyes of the English I would say. (Now where's that key for my cottage in Snowdonia).

No point looking mate - the Sons of Glyndwr have burnt it down!

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Sorry, my mistake.
And you're right about the result being what Scotland wanted and no more.

Personally, I think had this vote been taken ten or fifteen years ago, when the economy was booming and the Yes Campaign could've urged the electorate to look at how there'd never be a poor day in post-independence Ireland again, they'd have won by a landslide.
In a close run thing, especially during economically straitened times, people may say one thing but in the privacy of the ballot box their wallets speak louder than their idealism. That ultimately was the tipping point for me.

On a side note, how stupid was Cameron not to demand that any Yes vote would need to be carried by a super majority (say 60%, at least)? He's a lucky boy to still be in a job this morning. Imagine the fall out had either side won by one percent.

You make some good points, especially about changing comparisons with the Republic, but I disagree with your last point. I think Cameron had little choice in setting the bar at 50%. A 55% yes vote in a 60% super majority would have been a truly awful and divisive outcome.

He's taken a gamble and won, although not as big a gamble as some thought. I've previously posted on this thread on the power of the privacy of the ballot box. I always expected the power of conservatism to win the day in the end. In stable, western countries change is often viewed with some suspicion.

Cameron 'taken a gamble and won'?
More like 'was given a winning hand and nearly blew it'.

Maybe so, but when you're cashing your chips in at the end of the night, the money in your hand smells and feels the same, mate, if you've won.

 

[Blue Mist]

Well they have had their say, now I want mine. English-Welsh-(N) Irish MP's to vote to vote on laws, changes etc that effect us only. No more having Scottish MP's voting our something that has fuck all to do with them.

Oh and will you all no shut up ? will you fuck.

 

[George Hannah]

there's a lot of porridge diluted with tears this fine morning

 

[inbetween]

Think this is the worst possible result.

Nearly half the Scots now hate the other half
Half the Scots don't want Westminster rule
As usual the English will get shafted

Don't think there is an answer to the West Lothian question.

For example on say the budget. The chancellor introduces a measure for England and Wales only. Then a measure for England Wales and Scitland then a different measure for Scotland only. How exactly will the vote on the budget work. Will MPs vote on seperate elements or will there be seperate budgets.

Spread this across all departments and it's a minefield

I know it's nothing to do with us but for Scotland it's a bigger minefield to go independent. They didn't even know what currency they would be using. I'm sure something can be decided on what degree of power lies with Scotland and how. It's much better for them to stay rather than vote for something that isn't certain. They didn't even know what currency they'd end up using. I don't think we'll get shafted, Scotland just needs to be given powers to run itself and disallow the voting on our laws within those powers. I can't imagine it will be anymore as complex as the yes option.

 

[carlos tevez is a blue]

So if it's a no result can Alex Salmond be tried for treason? The crime of treason is the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill or overthrow the sovereign or government.

Sounds like he ticks all the boxes' to me.


Just saying:-)

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35IvXVHOcp0[/video]

 

[Len Rum]

Think this is the worst possible result.

Nearly half the Scots now hate the other half
Half the Scots don't want Westminster rule
As usual the English will get shafted

Don't think there is an answer to the West Lothian question.

For example on say the budget. The chancellor introduces a measure for England and Wales only. Then a measure for England Wales and Scitland then a different measure for Scotland only. How exactly will the vote on the budget work. Will MPs vote on seperate elements or will there be seperate budgets.

Spread this across all departments and it's a minefield

Correct.
Cameron has created this problem.
He ruled out devo max on the ballot paper and then got spooked into agreeing to it anyway.
Now the genie is out of the bottle and everyone is coming out of the woodwork with their own agendas.
As you rightly point out the West Lothian question is one of the major issues to be resolved.
All parties will now have to draw up their own regional policies in their manifestos.Should be interesting.

 

[Len Rum]

You make some good points, especially about changing comparisons with the Republic, but I disagree with your last point. I think Cameron had little choice in setting the bar at 50%. A 55% yes vote in a 60% super majority would have been a truly awful and divisive outcome.

He's taken a gamble and won, although not as big a gamble as some thought. I've previously posted on this thread on the power of the privacy of the ballot box. I always expected the power of conservatism to win the day in the end. In stable, western countries change is often viewed with some suspicion.

Cameron 'taken a gamble and won'?
More like 'was given a winning hand and nearly blew it'.

Maybe so, but when you're cashing your chips in at the end of the night, the money in your hand smells and feels the same, mate, if you've won.

True, it was his 'Aguero 93:20 moment'.

 

[bluemoon32]

Welsh next I reckon...................

Never happen, the South & North detest each other