Ayrshire, how do you think we feel in the rest of England outside of London?ayrshire_blue said:You're missing the point. Take Scotland's votes out of every election and the outcome remains the same. Scotland's votes count for feck all.
If Scotland want Labour but England want Tory - it's Tory. If Scotland want Tory (haha) but England want Labour it's Labour.
It's not about having the government each individual wants but a country with around 5 million people is large enough to have a parliament which makes decisions for itself. And before you point to Holyrood already being in existence it has little or no control over how a budget is spent north of the border. London decides that for us, yippee!
The needs of Scottish people are not the same as the needs of people from London or the south east.
i kne albert davy said:Sorry mate that's how democracy go's if the majority of those who bother to vote,go for one particular political party chances are they get elected to govern. I don't particularly like the Tories but they have been elected what should I do declare my house independent of Westminster because my vote didn't count. Been working in Scotland for last 4 weeks,first week in Edinburgh the majority were "proud to be Scots delighted to be united" last 3 weeks in Fife and Perthshire more split with young kids poppin Braveheart in the DVD and voting with the heart, the majority over 40 say would prefer to stay as part of a United Kingdom. If and when the Yes vote lose will you're vote have counted for nothing or will your move to a smaller enclave.ayrshire_blue said:You're missing the point. Take Scotland's votes out of every election and the outcome remains the same. Scotland's votes count for feck all.
If Scotland want Labour but England want Tory - it's Tory. If Scotland want Tory (haha) but England want Labour it's Labour.
It's not about having the government each individual wants but a country with around 5 million people is large enough to have a parliament which makes decisions for itself. And before you point to Holyrood already being in existence it has little or no control over how a budget is spent north of the border. London decides that for us, yippee!
The needs of Scottish people are not the same as the needs of people from London or the south east.
P.S. beautiful country by the way.
A landslide yes? and who would England become independent from I have no petty hatred of people who live in Scotland a rivalry yes like the one between Lancashire and Yorkshire should we divide the nation into small pieces constantly bickering again, how backward thinking is that.TGR said:TGR said:ayrshire_blue said:You're missing the point. Take Scotland's votes out of every election and the outcome remains the same. Scotland's votes count for feck all.
If Scotland want Labour but England want Tory - it's Tory. If Scotland want Tory (haha) but England want Labour it's Labour.
It's not about having the government each individual wants but a country with around 5 million people is large enough to have a parliament which makes decisions for itself. And before you point to Holyrood already being in existence it has little or no control over how a budget is spent north of the border. London decides that for us, yippee!
The needs of Scottish people are not the same as the needs of people from London or the south east.
Roll on a week on Thursday!
And the majority of English people are also saying it.
I genuinely do hope that you get your wish and have independence.
I honestly think it is better for all concerned.
Without trying to clever or smart if the vote for independence was also given to the English it would
be a landslide 'Yes' vote. So lets just get on with it and do what is needed to be done.
Len Rum said:Ayrshire, how do you think we feel in the rest of England outside of London?ayrshire_blue said:You're missing the point. Take Scotland's votes out of every election and the outcome remains the same. Scotland's votes count for feck all.
If Scotland want Labour but England want Tory - it's Tory. If Scotland want Tory (haha) but England want Labour it's Labour.
It's not about having the government each individual wants but a country with around 5 million people is large enough to have a parliament which makes decisions for itself. And before you point to Holyrood already being in existence it has little or no control over how a budget is spent north of the border. London decides that for us, yippee!
The needs of Scottish people are not the same as the needs of people from London or the south east.
Maybe if you get independence we could join you in a new country 'Angland' (based on the old anglo saxon provinces )?
Greater Londinium could then split off as a separate kingdom.
I know how close it is but Scotlands future won't be decided by young lads at football match's everyone gets a vote. only surprise is Mr Salmond didn't give 4 year olds the vote and then stood at the school gates with a bag of sweets.ayrshire_blue said:i kne albert davy said:Sorry mate that's how democracy go's if the majority of those who bother to vote,go for one particular political party chances are they get elected to govern. I don't particularly like the Tories but they have been elected what should I do declare my house independent of Westminster because my vote didn't count. Been working in Scotland for last 4 weeks,first week in Edinburgh the majority were "proud to be Scots delighted to be united" last 3 weeks in Fife and Perthshire more split with young kids poppin Braveheart in the DVD and voting with the heart, the majority over 40 say would prefer to stay as part of a United Kingdom. If and when the Yes vote lose will you're vote have counted for nothing or will your move to a smaller enclave.ayrshire_blue said:You're missing the point. Take Scotland's votes out of every election and the outcome remains the same. Scotland's votes count for feck all.
If Scotland want Labour but England want Tory - it's Tory. If Scotland want Tory (haha) but England want Labour it's Labour.
It's not about having the government each individual wants but a country with around 5 million people is large enough to have a parliament which makes decisions for itself. And before you point to Holyrood already being in existence it has little or no control over how a budget is spent north of the border. London decides that for us, yippee!
The needs of Scottish people are not the same as the needs of people from London or the south east.
P.S. beautiful country by the way.
I give up, I really do.
On your closing points. Recent polls at 53% no, 47% yes. I don't think the end result will be much closer than that.
If interested, on my local club (Kilmarnock's) forum the independence poll is currently at:
No - 23 (17.04%)
Yes - 104 (77.04%)
Undecided - 8 (5.92%)
Most other football fans forum's are around the same, 70%-80% mark for the yes, including Celtic.
Sevco at 95% no and Ross County are also slightly favouring the No vote the last I looked.
Just an insight to how every day football fans see it north of the border. Those results don't matter of course.
This is very true, but we've got no say in it, so what we think is irrelevant. Those of us in the minority down here are relying on you up there to grant our wishes ;)ayrshire_blue said:TGR - this one's just for you...
The Future of England Survey found that people south of the border are overwhelmingly against Scotland leaving the UK, with 59 per cent saying they would like the Union to stay intact and only 19 per cent favouring separation.
Ancient Citizen said:This is very true, but we've got no say in it, so what we think is irrelevant. Those of us in the minority down here are relying on you up there to grant our wishes ;)ayrshire_blue said:TGR - this one's just for you...
The Future of England Survey found that people south of the border are overwhelmingly against Scotland leaving the UK, with 59 per cent saying they would like the Union to stay intact and only 19 per cent favouring separation.
That won't impress TGR mate.ayrshire_blue said:TGR - this one's just for you...
The Future of England Survey found that people south of the border are overwhelmingly against Scotland leaving the UK, with 59 per cent saying they would like the Union to stay intact and only 19 per cent favouring separation.
ayrshire_blue said:Ancient Citizen said:This is very true, but we've got no say in it, so what we think is irrelevant. Those of us in the minority down here are relying on you up there to grant our wishes ;)ayrshire_blue said:TGR - this one's just for you...
The Future of England Survey found that people south of the border are overwhelmingly against Scotland leaving the UK, with 59 per cent saying they would like the Union to stay intact and only 19 per cent favouring separation.
Haha, fair enough mate. Sadly I think you'll be dissappointed, as will I.
The yes campaign certainly have the momentum, but it's came a bit late imo. Traditional Labour voters should have been the target voters from the yes campaign from the very start, not the last month or two.