Scottish independence

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How on earth are you still not banned from this forum?

edit, I should add your anti-muslim sentiments go far and beyond any sensible, rational debate, and you've shown it time and time again - I suppose the mods are leaving your nasty, small - minded tirades on just to show everyone else what a bigot you are.

Perhaps because your argument holds very little water and as usual anyone who stands up for England is either a racist or a bigot I am neither
I don't care what race or creed people are I just don't like the fact That people can come to this country and try to change it
I welcome anyone one I just think they should adapt to our ways and not try to make us change to theirs

And for your information my family contains people of mixed race and people who were born outside this country But not one of them expects English traditions and laws to be changed to accommodate them instead they have adapted their culture to fit in and integrate. and I am more than happy to call them family. Several posters on this forum can verify this.

just the fact you seem to think minorities, in particular muslims, get some sort of preference and priority over the indigenous peoples is completely hatstand - I suggest you go on a little whirlwind tour of the Uk, especially the South East and Home Counties, and maybe you will see the reality. In fact, get a political map, and visit the places coloured in blue, and I dare you to tell me the people of bradford for instance are whooping it up.

In Bradford the Indigenous peoples as you put it are being prevented celebrating Christian festivals in case it offends the Muslims of the area and there are even cases where the Muslim Community have complained about English businesses from cooking Bacon as it offends the Muslims. and the local Labour Councillors who are so desperate to hold on to power are actually backing these things.
These are direct attacks on English culture and I am sure if an Englishman complained about a Mosque celebrating a Muslim festival or a shop selling Hallal meat they would soon be shot down. So Living it up is not just about how posh an area is they receive preferential treatment over their cultural and religious demands.

And having been a lorry driver for many a year I do not need to take a tour of England thanks.
I am aware that the state of Cities such as Bradford and Oldham etc is as much the fault as the residents and their cultural differences as it is the Governments lack of investment.

 

[BigJimLittleJim]

Perhaps because your argument holds very little water and as usual anyone who stands up for England is either a racist or a bigot I am neither
I don't care what race or creed people are I just don't like the fact That people can come to this country and try to change it
I welcome anyone one I just think they should adapt to our ways and not try to make us change to theirs

And for your information my family contains people of mixed race and people who were born outside this country But not one of them expects English traditions and laws to be changed to accommodate them instead they have adapted their culture to fit in and integrate. and I am more than happy to call them family. Several posters on this forum can verify this.

just the fact you seem to think minorities, in particular muslims, get some sort of preference and priority over the indigenous peoples is completely hatstand - I suggest you go on a little whirlwind tour of the Uk, especially the South East and Home Counties, and maybe you will see the reality. In fact, get a political map, and visit the places coloured in blue, and I dare you to tell me the people of bradford for instance are whooping it up.

In Bradford the Indigenous peoples as you put it are being prevented celebrating Christian festivals in case it offends the Muslims of the area and there are even cases where the Muslim Community have complained about English businesses from cooking Bacon as it offends the Muslims. and the local Labour Councillors who are so desperate to hold on to power are actually backing these things.
These are direct attacks on English culture and I am sure if an Englishman complained about a Mosque celebrating a Muslim festival or a shop selling Hallal meat they would soon be shot down. So Living it up is not just about how posh an area is they receive preferential treatment over their cultural and religious demands.

And having been a lorry driver for many a year I do not need to take a tour of England thanks.
I am aware that the state of Cities such as Bradford and Oldham etc is as much the fault as the residents and their cultural differences as it is the Governments lack of investment.

Do you really swallow all that crap from the mail and other bigotted outlets?

Myths and bullshit, none of which have ever affected you in your lorry I guarantee.

I have lived in inner city leeds, for ten years in the Chapeltown and harehills area, which is full of those nasty mosques, and not once, ever, have I come across any of this Muslim's banning Xmas lies spread by the BNP and other shit stirrers -both my grown up kids grew up as equals with their multicultural classmates, who certainly did not have any advantages over the white kids.

no one I have ever met has had any first hand experience of these lies either, because it is complete bollocks.

Your real enemy lies in the corridors of government which keeps the poor, all of them, regardless of creed or colour, poor, and the rich, richer.

 

[whp.blue]

Sounds simple but how could you have a UK government that was Labour say deciding on UK wide issues such as defence,immigration,foreign affairs (including Europe) etc. and then an English Parliament (Tory), Scottish Parliament (Labour),Welsh Parliament (Labour) deciding all other issues in their countries. Doesn't one affect the other? To pay for our national defences for example would have an impact on taxation, but then what if the country parliaments didn't vote in the necessary tax changes?

Non of these things prevented the formation of a Scottish,Welsh and Northern Irish Parliaments and then getting more money for their respective countries It is time the English majority were put first

Any chance you could answer my SPECIFIC question of a Labour GB Government and a Tory English Parliament?
For instance how would defence spending agreed by a Labour GB Government be funded when they have no powers over English taxation and so and so forth for other GB issues that require funding.

I never answered this point because just like with the regional Parliaments now some things that affect the UK remain with Westminster Defence spending to my Knowledge has not been devolved to Scotland Wales or Northern Ireland so why should it be devolved to an English Parliament.

But an English Parliament is one solution to the West Lothian Question but the easiest solution is and has always been the one that Labour find the most unpalatable I.E. Jock Welsh and Northern Irish MPs should not be allowed to vote on English Matters

just as English MPs cannot vote on devolved matters now

The matters have already been agreed upon Just let English MPs vote on the same areas that have already been devolved.
EG
A Scottish MP should not be allowed to vote on English Education as Education for Scotland has been devolved Simple really.
Not really to much to ask is it that England be treated the same as Scotland?

 

[Len Rum]

Non of these things prevented the formation of a Scottish,Welsh and Northern Irish Parliaments and then getting more money for their respective countries It is time the English majority were put first

Any chance you could answer my SPECIFIC question of a Labour GB Government and a Tory English Parliament?
For instance how would defence spending agreed by a Labour GB Government be funded when they have no powers over English taxation and so and so forth for other GB issues that require funding.

I never answered this point because just like with the regional Parliaments now some things that affect the UK remain with Westminster Defence spending to my Knowledge has not been devolved to Scotland Wales or Northern Ireland so why should it be devolved to an English Parliament.

But an English Parliament is one solution to the West Lothian Question but the easiest solution is and has always been the one that Labour find the most unpalatable I.E. Jock Welsh and Northern Irish MPs should not be allowed to vote on English Matters

just as English MPs cannot vote on devolved matters now

The matters have already been agreed upon Just let English MPs vote on the same areas that have already been devolved.
EG
A Scottish MP should not be allowed to vote on English Education as Education for Scotland has been devolved Simple really.
Not really to much to ask is it that England be treated the same as Scotland?

Defence spending would NOT be devolved to an English Parliament, it would be the responsibility of the UK Government. If that Government happened to be Labour ,how would that defence spending be funded if the English Parliament was Tory and they would not agree to raising the necessary tax revenues, and the same applies for all other UK Labour measures that require funding from an English Tory Parliament.
Capiche?

 

[whp.blue]

Any chance you could answer my SPECIFIC question of a Labour GB Government and a Tory English Parliament?
For instance how would defence spending agreed by a Labour GB Government be funded when they have no powers over English taxation and so and so forth for other GB issues that require funding.

I never answered this point because just like with the regional Parliaments now some things that affect the UK remain with Westminster Defence spending to my Knowledge has not been devolved to Scotland Wales or Northern Ireland so why should it be devolved to an English Parliament.

But an English Parliament is one solution to the West Lothian Question but the easiest solution is and has always been the one that Labour find the most unpalatable I.E. Jock Welsh and Northern Irish MPs should not be allowed to vote on English Matters

just as English MPs cannot vote on devolved matters now

The matters have already been agreed upon Just let English MPs vote on the same areas that have already been devolved.
EG
A Scottish MP should not be allowed to vote on English Education as Education for Scotland has been devolved Simple really.
Not really to much to ask is it that England be treated the same as Scotland?

Defence spending would NOT be devolved to an English Parliament, it would be the responsibility of the UK Government. If that Government happened to be Labour ,how would that defence spending be funded if the English Parliament was Tory and they would not agree to raising the necessary tax revenues, and the same applies for all other UK Labour measures that require funding from an English Tory Parliament.
Capiche?

no I don't Capiche
clearly I am missing something

Does the Scottish parliament raise taxes now that go towards defence? the Scottish parliament is led by a different Party to Westminster what is the difference?

 

[Len Rum]

I never answered this point because just like with the regional Parliaments now some things that affect the UK remain with Westminster Defence spending to my Knowledge has not been devolved to Scotland Wales or Northern Ireland so why should it be devolved to an English Parliament.

But an English Parliament is one solution to the West Lothian Question but the easiest solution is and has always been the one that Labour find the most unpalatable I.E. Jock Welsh and Northern Irish MPs should not be allowed to vote on English Matters

just as English MPs cannot vote on devolved matters now

The matters have already been agreed upon Just let English MPs vote on the same areas that have already been devolved.
EG
A Scottish MP should not be allowed to vote on English Education as Education for Scotland has been devolved Simple really.
Not really to much to ask is it that England be treated the same as Scotland?

Defence spending would NOT be devolved to an English Parliament, it would be the responsibility of the UK Government. If that Government happened to be Labour ,how would that defence spending be funded if the English Parliament was Tory and they would not agree to raising the necessary tax revenues, and the same applies for all other UK Labour measures that require funding from an English Tory Parliament.
Capiche?

no I don't Capiche
clearly I am missing something

Does the Scottish parliament raise taxes now that go towards defence? the Scottish parliament is led by a different Party to Westminster what is the difference?

No the Scottish parliament doesn't , the taxes raised on the Scottish people are determined by the UK government.

 

[whp.blue]

just the fact you seem to think minorities, in particular muslims, get some sort of preference and priority over the indigenous peoples is completely hatstand - I suggest you go on a little whirlwind tour of the Uk, especially the South East and Home Counties, and maybe you will see the reality. In fact, get a political map, and visit the places coloured in blue, and I dare you to tell me the people of bradford for instance are whooping it up.

In Bradford the Indigenous peoples as you put it are being prevented celebrating Christian festivals in case it offends the Muslims of the area and there are even cases where the Muslim Community have complained about English businesses from cooking Bacon as it offends the Muslims. and the local Labour Councillors who are so desperate to hold on to power are actually backing these things.
These are direct attacks on English culture and I am sure if an Englishman complained about a Mosque celebrating a Muslim festival or a shop selling Hallal meat they would soon be shot down. So Living it up is not just about how posh an area is they receive preferential treatment over their cultural and religious demands.

And having been a lorry driver for many a year I do not need to take a tour of England thanks.
I am aware that the state of Cities such as Bradford and Oldham etc is as much the fault as the residents and their cultural differences as it is the Governments lack of investment.

Do you really swallow all that crap from the mail and other bigotted outlets?

Myths and bullshit, none of which have ever affected you in your lorry I guarantee.

I have lived in inner city leeds, for ten years in the Chapeltown and harehills area, which is full of those nasty mosques, and not once, ever, have I come across any of this Muslim's banning Xmas lies spread by the BNP and other shit stirrers -both my grown up kids grew up as equals with their multicultural classmates, who certainly did not have any advantages over the white kids.

no one I have ever met has had any first hand experience of these lies either, because it is complete bollocks.

Your real enemy lies in the corridors of government which keeps the poor, all of them, regardless of creed or colour, poor, and the rich, richer.

Clearly in those areas There is little chance of you going in to a Red Cross Charity shop If you check They banned Christmas decorations so as not to upset Muslims but obviously in your world it never happened.

And for the record don't try to put words into my mouth where have I ever said Mosques were nasty? I find them just as ridiculous as Catholic Churches but I have no problem with people worshipping what ever mythical being they want in whatever manner they want I have a problem with people who do not afford me the same freedoms.

 

[whp.blue]

Defence spending would NOT be devolved to an English Parliament, it would be the responsibility of the UK Government. If that Government happened to be Labour ,how would that defence spending be funded if the English Parliament was Tory and they would not agree to raising the necessary tax revenues, and the same applies for all other UK Labour measures that require funding from an English Tory Parliament.
Capiche?

no I don't Capiche
clearly I am missing something

Does the Scottish parliament raise taxes now that go towards defence? the Scottish parliament is led by a different Party to Westminster what is the difference?

No the Scottish parliament doesn't , the taxes raised on the Scottish people are determined by the UK government.

so why wouldn't that work in the case of an English Parliament? what is your point ?

 

[Mr Ed (The Stables)]

Spoke to my mate today who lives in Galashields in the Scotish borders both him and his missus voted no, in fact he didn't know anyone who voted yes. They are well happy they are still in the UK.

 

[Len Rum]

no I don't Capiche
clearly I am missing something

Does the Scottish parliament raise taxes now that go towards defence? the Scottish parliament is led by a different Party to Westminster what is the difference?

No the Scottish parliament doesn't , the taxes raised on the Scottish people are determined by the UK government.

so why wouldn't that work in the case of an English Parliament? what is your point ?

Perhaps we should forget it.
Thank you for corresponding though.

 

[TGR]

Non of these things prevented the formation of a Scottish,Welsh and Northern Irish Parliaments and then getting more money for their respective countries It is time the English majority were put first

Any chance you could answer my SPECIFIC question of a Labour GB Government and a Tory English Parliament?
For instance how would defence spending agreed by a Labour GB Government be funded when they have no powers over English taxation and so and so forth for other GB issues that require funding.

I never answered this point because just like with the regional Parliaments now some things that affect the UK remain with Westminster Defence spending to my Knowledge has not been devolved to Scotland Wales or Northern Ireland so why should it be devolved to an English Parliament.

But an English Parliament is one solution to the West Lothian Question but the easiest solution is and has always been the one that Labour find the most unpalatable I.E. Jock Welsh and Northern Irish MPs should not be allowed to vote on English Matters

just as English MPs cannot vote on devolved matters now

The matters have already been agreed upon Just let English MPs vote on the same areas that have already been devolved.
EG
A Scottish MP should not be allowed to vote on English Education as Education for Scotland has been devolved Simple really.
Not really to much to ask is it that England be treated the same as Scotland?

Of course it's not to much to ask. Your problem is that you are being objective and sensible. That doesn't go down well with the LWNJ's on here one little bit.
You will branded a 'little Englander' whilst every other minority can spout any old crap and that is acceptable.
The lefties do like to abuse, flame, bully and ridicule anyone and everyone who has the wherewithal to even think about disagreeing with them. It is par for the course with them.

 

[Len Rum]

Any chance you could answer my SPECIFIC question of a Labour GB Government and a Tory English Parliament?
For instance how would defence spending agreed by a Labour GB Government be funded when they have no powers over English taxation and so and so forth for other GB issues that require funding.

I never answered this point because just like with the regional Parliaments now some things that affect the UK remain with Westminster Defence spending to my Knowledge has not been devolved to Scotland Wales or Northern Ireland so why should it be devolved to an English Parliament.

But an English Parliament is one solution to the West Lothian Question but the easiest solution is and has always been the one that Labour find the most unpalatable I.E. Jock Welsh and Northern Irish MPs should not be allowed to vote on English Matters

just as English MPs cannot vote on devolved matters now

The matters have already been agreed upon Just let English MPs vote on the same areas that have already been devolved.
EG
A Scottish MP should not be allowed to vote on English Education as Education for Scotland has been devolved Simple really.
Not really to much to ask is it that England be treated the same as Scotland?

Of course it's not to much to ask. Your problem is that you are being objective and sensible. That doesn't go down well with the LWNJ's on here one little bit.
You will branded a 'little Englander' whilst every other minority can spout any old crap and that is acceptable.
The lefties do like to abuse, flame, bully and ridicule anyone and everyone who has the wherewithal to even think about disagreeing with them. It is par for the course with them.

What are you on TGR?
Could you recommend it?
I like a nice malt myself.

 

[BigJimLittleJim]

Any chance you could answer my SPECIFIC question of a Labour GB Government and a Tory English Parliament?
For instance how would defence spending agreed by a Labour GB Government be funded when they have no powers over English taxation and so and so forth for other GB issues that require funding.

I never answered this point because just like with the regional Parliaments now some things that affect the UK remain with Westminster Defence spending to my Knowledge has not been devolved to Scotland Wales or Northern Ireland so why should it be devolved to an English Parliament.

But an English Parliament is one solution to the West Lothian Question but the easiest solution is and has always been the one that Labour find the most unpalatable I.E. Jock Welsh and Northern Irish MPs should not be allowed to vote on English Matters

just as English MPs cannot vote on devolved matters now

The matters have already been agreed upon Just let English MPs vote on the same areas that have already been devolved.
EG
A Scottish MP should not be allowed to vote on English Education as Education for Scotland has been devolved Simple really.
Not really to much to ask is it that England be treated the same as Scotland?

Of course it's not to much to ask. Your problem is that you are being objective and sensible. That doesn't go down well with the LWNJ's on here one little bit.
You will branded a 'little Englander' whilst every other minority can spout any old crap and that is acceptable.
The lefties do like to abuse, flame, bully and ridicule anyone and everyone who has the wherewithal to even think about disagreeing with them. It is par for the course with them.

can you not spot a Muslim hater TGR?

All that crap he spouts about Xmas being cancelled, what a load of tosh, it's like the worst of facebook x 10.

I'm no Christian but I still have a Xmas tree, always have, no Muslims under my bed stopping me from doing anything, especially supporting Man City - those Muslims are great.

As for getting a handle on government tax and spending, he's clueless, as he thinks the English are unfairly treated somehow, despite being a lorry driver - have you ever been to Wales WHP?

I'm out anyway, only so many times you can out a xenophobe.

 

[whp.blue]

Any chance you could answer my SPECIFIC question of a Labour GB Government and a Tory English Parliament?
For instance how would defence spending agreed by a Labour GB Government be funded when they have no powers over English taxation and so and so forth for other GB issues that require funding.

I never answered this point because just like with the regional Parliaments now some things that affect the UK remain with Westminster Defence spending to my Knowledge has not been devolved to Scotland Wales or Northern Ireland so why should it be devolved to an English Parliament.

But an English Parliament is one solution to the West Lothian Question but the easiest solution is and has always been the one that Labour find the most unpalatable I.E. Jock Welsh and Northern Irish MPs should not be allowed to vote on English Matters

just as English MPs cannot vote on devolved matters now

The matters have already been agreed upon Just let English MPs vote on the same areas that have already been devolved.
EG
A Scottish MP should not be allowed to vote on English Education as Education for Scotland has been devolved Simple really.
Not really to much to ask is it that England be treated the same as Scotland?

Of course it's not to much to ask. Your problem is that you are being objective and sensible. That doesn't go down well with the LWNJ's on here one little bit.
You will branded a 'little Englander' whilst every other minority can spout any old crap and that is acceptable.
The lefties do like to abuse, flame, bully and ridicule anyone and everyone who has the wherewithal to even think about disagreeing with them. It is par for the course with them.

Well I doubt there are any left wing loonies who can bully me so they may have met their match I don't mind being called a little Englander I have never backed down from anyone and I wont back down from some pc keyboard warrior

I don't mind them trying to ridicule or even abusing me it used to bother me but then after an argument on this forum a while back one poster became very abusive I got really wound up and I tracked down my abuser only to find out that particular keyboard warrior was a sixteen year old boy. I realized very quickly that people say things on this forum they would probably never say to your face.

So now instead of getting all worked up I just stand my ground and if they don't like my views well tough.

 

[Balti]

if you believe that a scottish parliament is wonderful

then no doubt you feel an english one is too

so kick these scottish mp's out of the ''UK'' version till we get our own too

 

[BigJimLittleJim]

if you believe that a scottish parliament is wonderful

then no doubt you feel an english one is too

so kick these scottish mp's out of the ''UK'' version till we get our own too

I take it you don't need any chips with your balti mate, that massive one on your shoulder should srt you out for years.

Poor ickle mistreated englanders, nasty foreigners treading you down, ha ha ha ha ha.

 

[Balti]

if you believe that a scottish parliament is wonderful

then no doubt you feel an english one is too

so kick these scottish mp's out of the ''UK'' version till we get our own too

I take it you don't need any chips with your balti mate, that massive one on your shoulder should srt you out for years.

Poor ickle mistreated englanders, nasty foreigners treading you down, ha ha ha ha ha.

i just want equality pal

clearly that is a concept you bigots can't understand lol

 

[TGR]

I never answered this point because just like with the regional Parliaments now some things that affect the UK remain with Westminster Defence spending to my Knowledge has not been devolved to Scotland Wales or Northern Ireland so why should it be devolved to an English Parliament.

But an English Parliament is one solution to the West Lothian Question but the easiest solution is and has always been the one that Labour find the most unpalatable I.E. Jock Welsh and Northern Irish MPs should not be allowed to vote on English Matters

just as English MPs cannot vote on devolved matters now

The matters have already been agreed upon Just let English MPs vote on the same areas that have already been devolved.
EG
A Scottish MP should not be allowed to vote on English Education as Education for Scotland has been devolved Simple really.
Not really to much to ask is it that England be treated the same as Scotland?

Of course it's not to much to ask. Your problem is that you are being objective and sensible. That doesn't go down well with the LWNJ's on here one little bit.
You will branded a 'little Englander' whilst every other minority can spout any old crap and that is acceptable.
The lefties do like to abuse, flame, bully and ridicule anyone and everyone who has the wherewithal to even think about disagreeing with them. It is par for the course with them.

can you not spot a Muslim hater TGR?

All that crap he spouts about Xmas being cancelled, what a load of tosh, it's like the worst of facebook x 10.

I'm no Christian but I still have a Xmas tree, always have, no Muslims under my bed stopping me from doing anything, especially supporting Man City - those Muslims are great.

As for getting a handle on government tax and spending, he's clueless, as he thinks the English are unfairly treated somehow, despite being a lorry driver - have you ever been to Wales WHP?

I'm out anyway, only so many times you can out a xenophobe.

He just happens to have a view point and opinion that differs from yours.
It doesn't automatically make him a racist a bigot or xenophobic .
That's the problem with you lefties: zero tolerance to a viewpoint or perspective that differs from yours.

 

[BigJimLittleJim]

if you believe that a scottish parliament is wonderful

then no doubt you feel an english one is too

so kick these scottish mp's out of the ''UK'' version till we get our own too

I take it you don't need any chips with your balti mate, that massive one on your shoulder should srt you out for years.

Poor ickle mistreated englanders, nasty foreigners treading you down, ha ha ha ha ha.

i just want equality pal

clearly that is a concept you bigots can't understand lol

How on earth are you unfairly treated as a member of the United Kingdom and an Englishman, by other members of the countries of the union?

if you said the Tories were mistreating you as a working class person, then yes I would say you had a point, what with the gap between rich and poor getting wider every year, but to hate on the Welsh and scots, and Pads, well that is simply make believe and a personal psychological problem.

 

[Balti]

Of course it's not to much to ask. Your problem is that you are being objective and sensible. That doesn't go down well with the LWNJ's on here one little bit.
You will branded a 'little Englander' whilst every other minority can spout any old crap and that is acceptable.
The lefties do like to abuse, flame, bully and ridicule anyone and everyone who has the wherewithal to even think about disagreeing with them. It is par for the course with them.

can you not spot a Muslim hater TGR?

All that crap he spouts about Xmas being cancelled, what a load of tosh, it's like the worst of facebook x 10.

I'm no Christian but I still have a Xmas tree, always have, no Muslims under my bed stopping me from doing anything, especially supporting Man City - those Muslims are great.

As for getting a handle on government tax and spending, he's clueless, as he thinks the English are unfairly treated somehow, despite being a lorry driver - have you ever been to Wales WHP?

I'm out anyway, only so many times you can out a xenophobe.

He just happens to have a view point and opinion that differs from yours.
It doesn't automatically make him a racist a bigot or xenophobic .
That's the problem with you lefties: zero tolerance to a viewpoint or perspective that differs from yours.

in his case it probably does tbf

''hahahahahahahaha''

etc