Scottish Independence

[happy daze]

Well whatever way the vote goes it’s invalid until it’s approved by the House of Commons and put through the Lords.

Sturgeon is debating an advisory poll, which would be unofficial, in the hope of applying pressure if she wins it but she’s unlikely to as she is smart enough to know she’ll probably lose.

Well her going ahead is a risky strategy,but if she did go for an advisory poll and won it would leave Boris unable to ignore it.

 

[Ban-jani]

Well her going ahead is a risky strategy,but if she did go for an advisory poll and won it would leave Boris unable to ignore it.

He literally can ignore it.

Even if you were a UK PM who supported a Scottish IndyRef2, to do so right in the middle of the Brexit transition period, or even shortly after it’s over, would be criminally poor policy.

As I say, there’s zero chance one will be held in the next 5 years and likely double that.

 

[happy daze]

He literally can ignore it.

Even if you were a UK PM who supported a Scottish IndyRef2, to do so right in the middle of the Brexit transition period, or even shortly after it’s over, would be criminally poor policy.

As I say, there’s zero chance one will be held in the next 5 years and likely double that.

Can't you see that there's an inevitability to all this (and yes it is the Scottish indy thread) but Blair offered devolution to cut off the nationalists in Scotland and Wales,Dave called the brexit ref to head off euro scepticism,both strategies have failed.
We have left the eu and as a Scottish friend told me you have to win every referendum we only need one,I think you are ignoring the strength of feeling in Scotland that they are being ignored.

 

[Coatigan]

I mean, that first line is just insulting but I’ll ignore it.

Do you not find it worrying she wants the referendum now and hasn’t said anything on those main points I’ve asked? No one is able to answer them.

It’s more farcical and laughable than the Leave campaign during Brexit.

Not being rude and ignoring direct questions fyi, after that match tonight, im sure you get my lack of interest with this right now, apologies for the abrupt responses, best i can do right now. in order of you paragraphs

1). sorry. you say tough stuff and call others sensitive, i didn't think that could offend you. Not my intention.

2). yes

3) disagree, no mood to go into it, im sure we'll both repeat that discussion a few times yet tho.

 

[Ban-jani]

Can't you see that there's an inevitability to all this (and yes it is the Scottish indy thread) but Blair offered devolution to cut off the nationalists in Scotland and Wales,Dave called the brexit ref to head off euro scepticism,both strategies have failed.
We have left the eu and as a Scottish friend told me you have to win every referendum we only need one,I think you are ignoring the strength of feeling in Scotland that they are being ignored.

It’s not inevitable in my opinion.

Even at the height of ill feeling over Brexit it’s 34% in favour of another referendum and 51% saying they’d vote yes if they had one.

Those are terribly poor numbers. Once it settles down that will change and if the Tories communicate the dangers of Scotland leaving the UK and hold Sturgeon to account properly, it will only get worse for the Indy movement.

 

[Ban-jani]

Not being rude and ignoring direct questions fyi, after that match tonight, im sure you get my lack of interest with this right now, apologies for the abrupt responses, best i can do right now. in order of you paragraphs

1). sorry. you say tough stuff and call others sensitive, i didn't think that could offend you. Not my intention.

2). yes

3) disagree, no mood to go into it, im sure we'll both repeat that discussion a few times yet tho.

I wouldn’t have replied during the match anyway so no problem there. I’m only on here now to try and talk about something else as I’m that livid with our finishing!

Please don’t take this the wrong way, it’s not meant to be patronising... I think England and the other home nations would be negatively affected but mostly okay and mostly it’ll be a case of it being terrible shame to lose Scotland from an emotional position, despite the odd snide comment people generally love the whole UK. The main issue is though, that Scotland will truly be fucked and much worse off if they go for independence, I have lots of concerns for the people that live there and I just hope they don’t make such a terrible decision, if it does come.

A Scotland outside both the UK and EU is a terrible place to be and that’s the reality if they vote yes, for at least a significant period of time.

 

[Gray]

Love Scotland it is a beautiful country, love the people with their generosity and hospitality. Can not stand Nicola Sturgeon.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Can't you see that there's an inevitability to all this (and yes it is the Scottish indy thread) but Blair offered devolution to cut off the nationalists in Scotland and Wales,Dave called the brexit ref to head off euro scepticism,both strategies have failed.
We have left the eu and as a Scottish friend told me you have to win every referendum we only need one,I think you are ignoring the strength of feeling in Scotland that they are being ignored.

How exactly are they being ignored when they have more MPs per person than England. They also have a Scottish Parliment with its own powers. They have 20% more money to spend than English regions. And they had their once in a generation independence referendum just over 5 yrs ago? It seems to me they can't actually claim that based on the above. The SNP are behaving rather like a spoilt child.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Re-read our thread discussion, and it'll come to you.

England, part of the UK, would now share a land border with an EU country. We'd have to enter into border talks.

It'd be the Ireland/Northern Ireland debate all over again.

These talks would get very heated when Johnson tells them they can't leave without a deal.

 

[happy daze]

How exactly are they being ignored when they have more MPs per person than England. They also have a Scottish Parliment with its own powers. They have 20% more money to spend than English regions. And they had their once in a generation independence referendum just over 5 yrs ago? It seems to me they can't actually claim that based on the above. The SNP are behaving rather like a spoilt child.

Whilst some of what you say may be true it is as I said in my post,devolution was granted to head off the nationalists and all it has done is fuel the fire.
At some point in the not too distant future Scotland will go its own way.