Scottish Independence

[Rascal]

I always find your posts interesting Rascal, but I think you are a way off the mark with this one.

How in fact are Scotland neglected and subject to the whims of the English when they get the following beenfits circa 20% more spent per person via the block grant than those people in England. When they get their own parliment. The ability to enact their own legislation. They can still vote on English only matters but the English MPs cannot vote on Scottish matters. They are over represented by MPs in parliment compared to their population.

I am sorry but if anything it is the English especially those in the north that are subject to Scottish whims and are neglected.

While they are part of the UK they should get the same money per person as the get of the UK.

I didn't mean it in the financial sense, I meant in the democracy sense. The scots by sheer numbers alone are always subject to the decisions made at Westminster, it is the same for the Welsh and The Northern Irish. I also agree with you it is the same for parts of Northern England, especially in the big cities, where we are subject to London.

The whole of the UK should have far more local democracy, local people should decide on local issues not be subject to diktat from London.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I didn't mean it in the financial sense, I meant in the democracy sense. The scots by sheer numbers alone are always subject to the decisions made at Westminster, it is the same for the Welsh and The Northern Irish. I also agree with you it is the same for parts of Northern England, especially in the big cities, where we are subject to London.

The whole of the UK should have far more local democracy, local people should decide on local issues not be subject to diktat from London.

But I assume by your response you accept that the Scots have more say than we do When it comes to Westminster politics. We are very much the poor man of the UK in every respect. Not the Scots.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Well you voted to stay in the UK didn't you? So you are subject to the whims of a UK referendum. Just like the rest of us!

Not what was promised.

 

[Gabriel]

Not what was promised.

From 2014. Who'd have thought it?
https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk...ejects-giving-scotland-veto-in-eu-referendum/

 

[blueinsa]

From 2014. Who'd have thought it?
https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk...ejects-giving-scotland-veto-in-eu-referendum/

Will they ask for and accept a second indy ref in which the whole of the UK votes and only all 4 nations saying they can have independence?

My guess is no.

You see its more evidence of how they want to interfere politically with everyone else yet demand we all keep out of their own affairs.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Not what was promised.

Well join the club, if you have witnessed as many broken promises from politicians as I have you shouldn't be surprised. That's politicians and also democracy for you. Have you only just realised politicians promise one thing and often deliver another.

 

[Postman Pep]

Where are you getting that nobody knows where the border would be btw?

As someone that crosses from England to Scotland a lot, rather, vice-versa, i can tell you exactly where one ends and the other begins. not just the one route/location either.

A number of years ago, when Scotland introduced the smoking ban in public places, but England was a few years behind, folk i know in Scotland used to have a drink, then walk across the border to the nearest pub in England for a drink and a smoke, then back again to their usual pub.

Not that im advocating a border, just that it isn't like one doesn't exist as such.

As an island nation we need to protect our.......hang on let's create some

 

[hilts]

Where are you getting that nobody knows where the border would be btw?

As someone that crosses from England to Scotland a lot, rather, vice-versa, i can tell you exactly where one ends and the other begins. not just the one route/location either.

A number of years ago, when Scotland introduced the smoking ban in public places, but England was a few years behind, folk i know in Scotland used to have a drink, then walk across the border to the nearest pub in England for a drink and a smoke, then back again to their usual pub.

Not that im advocating a border, just that it isn't like one doesn't exist as such.

Daft twats why not just stay in the English one all night or nip outside the Scottish one for a fag. No wonder we have to support them the silly buggers:-)

 

[Ban-jani]

They form the Scottish government and as such can hardly be described as single policy. I’m not defending them either just trying to inject some reality into your rant. What anti English shite should I discontinue with btw?

I’m fucking you off as you cannot understand basic sentences.

 

[Gabriel]

Will they ask for and accept a second indy ref in which the whole of the UK votes and only all 4 nations saying they can have independence?

My guess is no.

You see its more evidence of how they want to interfere politically with everyone else yet demand we all keep out of their own affairs.

The link I posted included many prescient predictions from English and Scottish universities.

Not sure there are many historical precedents for independence that match your example.

I suspect the Union will ultimately dissolve in the way it was formed, with the respective parliaments tasking commissioners to enter negotiations and agree on a dissolution. The Scots entered the Union in pecuniary peril, whereas the English entered the Union fretting about the throne and Scotland's ability to form European alliances. I'm sure there's contemporary symmetry there somewhere...