Scottish Independence

An independent Scotland applying for EU membership is a non starter. One of the conditions for EU entry is that a state runs a deficit of less than 3%. Scotland is around 7%. It will take a lot of cuts to public services and economic growth to sort that out. Not impossible, but certainly a challenge
 
The vote was the people of the UK unless every area that voted to remain admittedly not that many should declare itself independent.

All been covered, so i'll limit the repetition best i can.

Yes, indeed. And that is the point, for many, it shouldn't have.

If the UK is not a sum of its biggest part, then it is a union of four nations, which should all be equal or have an equal say, particularly in such monumental, arguably one-off, shifts.
Scotland, Wales and N.I are always going to get outvoted (outnumbered) by England, no matter what. I know, that's not England's fault for having that population, but neither is it the other three's for being smaller. Every country in the EU has a right to veto, regardless of its size. The democratically elected leader of a nation (two actually) requested that the referendum require an overall majority as well as a majority in each nation. This was denied, by a PM bullishly pandering to English nationalists (something he'd been doing a while).

So while that is what happened, i hope you can understand why i beleive it to be wrong. And as such, can't help feeling wronged.

And yes, ive read the arguements otherwise, and recognise some of the logic, but that is how i feel about it.

i do also appreciate it is a bit of a lose lose situation, i.e if brexit wasnt happening because Scotland and N.I didn't want it, but the UK numbers overall did, it would leave many (more) feeling wronged, and the resentment to scotland and the union (which is already evidently pretty fucking strong btw) would fester, on the English nationalist side (which is already evidently pretty fucking strong btw). Which in turn would further feed the snp narrative regardless. You'd hope that the unionism and logic of respecting all parts of the union equally would have prevailed, but honestly, who could truly say (and believe) that.
 
The arrogance of some of the English nationalist posters on here is breathtaking. If I were a Scottish unionist I would seriously be considering changing my position when I see the smug attitude from those that think that they personally subsidise Scotland out of their own pockets. The reason cash needs to flow north and west from London to Scotland, Wales and the English regions is down to government policy, not because of grasping jocks. If every Scot working in London could take their work with them and move it to Scotland, the 7% deficit would disappear overnight. If Scotland gained independence from the UK and managed to get a promise of membership from the EU subject to meeting the deficit requirements, it would disappear in next to no time when UK companies who mostly trade with Europe move some of their operations up there to enable single market access.
 
What English nationalist posters?

Another made up construct from those that can't comprehend anyone having a different opinion to them.

Fucking nonsense.
 
What English nationalist posters?

Another made up construct from those that can't comprehend anyone having a different opinion to them.

Fucking nonsense.
Nothing wrong with Nationalism as a political goal as long as it's not imposed on others by force. Just own it. Shouldn't stop a nation willingly joining a Union of other nations.
Imperialism on the other hand? That by definition is a policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other means.

I know which I'd prefer to be part of.
 
Nothing wrong with Nationalism as a political goal as long as it's not imposed on others by force. Just own it. Shouldn't stop a nation willingly joining a Union of other nations.
Imperialism on the other hand? That by definition is a policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other means.

I know which I'd prefer to be part of.

Own what?

Is all of that directed at me?
 
Im not fussed if you included me or not, im still asking the question.

Who are English nationalists on here?

What does it even mean?
It means those that are quite happy to see the end of the UK union as a consequence of Brexit, and are either hostile or ambivalent to Scotland and NI remaining part of the UK because they take offence at Sturgeon's views and begrudge the fact that there is a flow of money from the UK to Scotland and NI. It doesn't take too much reading of this thread to work out who falls into this category.
 

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