Scottish Independence

[Ban-jani]

So they want to be indepent from the UK but at the same time want to unite with Europe, I can not get my head round the logic.

Will they be a net contributor to EU funds or are they expecting the community to send vast sums of money in their direction?

There is no plan beyond your first paragraph.

It’s ridiculous.

 

[happy daze]

As I say, people vote for them still, regardless of the independence vote.

Well the clue is in the party name

The political landscape changing is subjective and when the leader of your party says “once in a generation” it needs to stick to 25-30 years.

No it doesn't,he's no longer leader and you cannot bind a party by previous pronouncements,a govt in the UK is not bound by the previous

Let’s say they have another and lose again, which they probably will, and the Tories then bring in an unpopular policy, the SNP would be straight back out asking for support for another referendum.

Well if they lose all well and good but they do have the right to another,what should be done in the event of a loss is fixing the future term before another vote

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Because they went in to the GE on a ticket of because of brexit another referendum is called for,and won overwhelmingly

Just because the Scots are gullible to vote for the SNP version of Corbyn's magic money tree isn't Westminster's problem, they have no remit to call the vote and they elected representatives to Westminster like every other constituency. If they're unhappy they can join in line with all the other constituencies that returned Labour, Lib Dem and Green MPs.

The SNP just want to campaign on a protest vote pretending they can get this magical solution from the EU and UK, meanwhile as raised by many in the election the SNP continue to fail the citizens it claims to represent over the border.

 

[Ban-jani]

Well the clue is in the party name


No it doesn't,he's no longer leader and you cannot bind a party by previous pronouncements,a govt in the UK is not bound by the previous


Well if they lose all well and good but they do have the right to another,what should be done in the event of a loss is fixing the future term before another vote

They’re a nationalist party, nationalism doesn’t necessarily mean independence but regardless, I’m only going off what SNP voters have said, on here and public. Not all vote for them for IndyRefs.

I’m not talking about him. Sturgeon said they wouldn’t have another one in a generation. People of my persuasion are only taking her word for it. It can be seen in the letter drafted by the Prime Minister to the SNP Leader.

They do not have a right to one now. We’re about to go through a crucial period of negotiation and a minority in Scotland have no right to be detrimental to the rest of the UK by holding another referendum in the middle of that. The UK government has the right to say when they can have one and now definitely isn’t the time.

 

[Coatigan]

I feel for all the Scottish voters who voted to stay in the UK AND voted for the UK to leave the EU whose voices and opinions are continuously and routinely ignored.

I know right! as the definers of 'democracy', what was it you said, they have a vote like everyone else?

Facetiousness aside, valid enough point.

 

[KS55]

If Scotland exited UK, there are several options, the main issues are:
1.Remain in fiscal and monetary union with UK.
That was their last known position, and would preclude joining the EU
2. Attempt to join the EU.
They would have to adopt the Euro, which would require a deal with UK on their share of UK debt.
3. Go it alone completely.
They could default on their UK debt.

As a member of the EU, they would probably be a net recipient of funds.

 

[Coatigan]

Your view is simplistic...

Tbh, that is all you needed to say, can stop right there. that is it in a nutshell.

Really, hardly any point debating beyond that. Till we are able to get past this 'english hating' black or white simplistic reductionism, the complexity and layers of the situation and the bigger picture are completely lost. Which sadly is a shame.

 

[ganganvince]

Whilst it’s true that their deficit exceeds the 3% cap, strictly speaking that’s for the single currency.

Given how much it seems to annoy Brexiteers who trot out a lot of the same arguments they themselves rejected, wouldn’t be surprised if the EU make a special case of Scotland just to annoy Boris.

It's hypothetical really as no way will a referendum be sanctioned till final negotiations are complete and the final trade deal could well change the landscape

 

[Gray]

This may come as a shock but all member nations in the EU are...independent and sovereign countries #mindblown

Why do they require an EU parliament then?

 

[Saddleworth2]

If Scotland exited UK, there are several options, the main issues are:
1.Remain in fiscal and monetary union with UK.
That was their last known position, and would preclude joining the EU
2. Attempt to join the EU.
They would have to adopt the Euro, which would require a deal with UK on their share of UK debt.
3. Go it alone completely.
They could default on their UK debt.

As a member of the EU, they would probably be a net recipient of funds.

At the most recent party shindig the snp grassroots voted in favour of introducing a new independent currency ‘immediately’ on independence. That has been adopted as policy. That simple decision brings with it some huge complexities, but some advantages too. If that is the way they want to go they have massive fiscal infrastructure to establish including a new central bank. Will be interesting to see how the detail of that develops. I think previous to that the policy had been your option 1 transitioning to 2.