Scottish Independence

[KS55]

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In theory I think. Though I think Croatia were supposed to move to the Euro but are still using their own currency. There doesnt seem to be any big appetite to compel them to take up the euro

Yeah, a bit vague in Lisbon treaty, but ultimately all will have to adopt euro. Just a matter of time.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Opposi

Utter rubbish. The Scottish independence support often get fabulously offended over very little. If you dare tell them the truth.

I was responding to a poster who was making the claim the Union was unequal in favour of the English. This we know is completely wrong and is actually insulting in itself to those in working class England.

You’re better off as an individual in many areas by living in Scotland than you are England and I’m sorry if my strong disagreement to the accusation to the contrary is “nasty”.

It’s not. There’s just a reluctance to face facts and if Scotland does vote to go, it will be due to the ignorance of not facing these facts, about what a post UK Scotland would be and look like.

Sturgeon can bang on about the EU as much as she wants and even get a friend to shine a pretty light for her but the reality is if Scotland were to leave, London would dictate all the terms and would either still have control over Scotland, controlling its currency and being its central bank, or Scotland would be forced to lose all benefits of being a part of the UK. To become an EU member may take years and all the while Scotland’s economy would be crashing, their deficit rising and its institutions failing.

Scotland’s deficit is currently being run at a higher level than any of the home nations. If I were Scottish I would be demanding answers from the SNP, not supporting them.

Reality is cold and doesn’t care for feelings and my concern is for those that live in Scotland, particularly the majority that don’t vote for these lunatics.

The poster in question is normally happy to engage and is prone to swearing in my direction, the evidence isn’t that he’s being diplomatic, more that he’s struggling to explain his strong opposition to Brexit, Cameron’s Brexit referendum and his support for another IndyRef.

I can’t remember swearing at you. Can you show me where and I will happily apologise.

 

[Metal Biker]

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In theory I think. Though I think Croatia were supposed to move to the Euro but are still using their own currency. There doesnt seem to be any big appetite to compel them to take up the euro

All EU countries by 2025 must adopt the Euro. Only the UK and Denmark were not obliged to because of what was signed and agreed in the Maastricht Treaty.

All new members will also have to adopt the currency after this year as a requirement of membership, once they meet the criteria.
https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/euro/which-countries-use-euro_en

 

[west didsblue]

All EU countries by 2025 must adopt the Euro. Only the UK and Denmark were not obliged to because of what was signed and agreed in the Maastricht Treaty.

All new members will also have to adopt the currency after this year as a requirement of membership, once they meet the criteria.
https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/euro/which-countries-use-euro_en

Can't see any reason why the jocks wouldn't want to adopt the Euro following independence rather than staying in a rapidly devaluing pound controlled by England or inventing their own currency (bawbee, plack or bodle maybe).

 

[aguero93:20]

Whilst it’s true that their deficit exceeds the 3% cap, strictly speaking that’s for the single currency.

Given how much it seems to annoy Brexiteers who trot out a lot of the same arguments they themselves rejected, wouldn’t be surprised if the EU make a special case of Scotland just to annoy Boris.

They'd have our backing.

 

[aguero93:20]

The SNP and their followers are but a blip in the history of the UK

So were the IPP apparently.

 

[Saddleworth2]

@Ban-jani, this is what I said

It is not a Union of equals it is a Union that is dominated by the country that has the most MP's and as long as those countries have very different political ideals,

this is what you responded

I was responding to a poster who was making the claim the Union was unequal in favour of the English. This we know is completely wrong and is actually insulting in itself to those in working class England.

the point I was making was completely to do with the Scottish Referendum and the democratic right of the Scottish people to hold one. I'm sure you know that the only way that such a referendum can be established as legal is if a bill is passed in the HoC. The HoC is currently made up of: 533 English MPs, 40 Welsh, 59 Scottish, 18 N Ireland. So, how does Scotland get a referendum? They need the Westminster parliament to pass a section 30 order that temporarily lifts any restriction on the Scottish Parliament to hold a referendum. Thats what Sturgeon wrote to Johnson about a couple of weeks ago. Johnson refused, and there is nothing to stop him refusing every time he is asked, irrespective of what polls show in Scotland.

So there is a very possible scenario that no matter how many times Scotland asks for a referendum it will be refused because of the inability to get a section 30 bill through a parliament that is dominated in numbers by English MP's. That has been the case since 1654 when England had 372 MP's to Scotlands 30. So how does Scotland get its say in a Parliament where its MP's are outnumbered 10:1? Answer. Only with the permission of an England dominated HoC.

I'm not talking about the Barnett formula or any other distraction, I'm talking purely about if the Scottish People want to leave the United Kingdom. So you see I wasn't insulting anyone.

 

[mexico1970]

The same people supporting the remain campaign will be supporting the campaign for Scottish independence in general, this thread will now grow as big as the Brexit one. Same battle different battlefield.

 

[west didsblue]

The same people supporting the remain campaign will be supporting the campaign for Scottish independence in general, this thread will now grow as big as the Brexit one. Same battle different battlefield.

I strongly opposed Scottish independence in 2014 and supported Remain in 2016 because I believed then, and still do, that the UK is stronger as a union of 4 home nations within the European Union. With us out of the EU, against the will of 62% of the Scottish population, I can fully understand their sense of betrayal due to the fact that one of the main unionist arguments in 2014 was that a No vote meant staying in the EU. So this time round I believe they should be given the opportunity for another referendum during the life of this parliament and although I would be disappointed if they chose to leave I wouldn't blame them if they did.

 

[BobKowalski]

Why do they require an EU parliament then?

For the lols

I mean seriously are you under the impression France, Germany et al are not sovereign independent countries?