Scottish Independence

The constituencies that voted for the SNP were just one of the 650 kingdom wide who elected their representatives. If they are unhappy with their lack of representation they should join the queue with Labour, Lib Dem and Green voters. They get far more representation than national parties with similar or higher number of voters so have more representation.
 
He cannot see that a world which is moving away from oil and oil production for greener energy and a heavily anti-oil, global climate change campaign gaining support, isn't the best long term model to base your nations economy off.

Scotland is way too late to the oil producing party and it would also raise many questions that a nation aiming to be 100% renewable energy is then going to be basing it's economic survival by contributing to oil production. It would smack of hypocrisy by the Scottish Government.
The north sea oil industry is currently heavilly subsidised by the UK government not just through large tax breaks that few if any other industries get but also large subsidies for installation construction. It's very doubtful that a small nation such as Scotland would be able to afford those subsidies. Especially when you factor in the very large initial costs that would fall on an independent Scotland. As always these are ignored by the Sturgeon led SNP and those that interview her. They just let her continually moan about Westminster and the Tories.
 
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Again the thing with this though is there is some odd assumption that we won't have SM access, access and membership are two very different things.

With access we sell according to EU rules but with membership we also make the rules. BUT, with membership we give up our individual say on the 55% of our trade that doesn't goto the EU.

For Scotland, they trade overwhelmingly more with the UK and the US, so joining the EU and SM barely matters. It definitely doesn't matter when the UK will negotiate SM access anyway.

The problem for the SNP in Scotland is they won't face these facts because they ideologically hate England and the US.
TBF - and I do not mean criticism - you are using logic, common sense and facts to deal with an ill thought through Brexit hating rant

Unlikely to be successful in getting understanding from the ranter
 
TBF - and I do not mean criticism - you are using logic, common sense and facts to deal with an ill thought through Brexit hating rant

Unlikely to be successful in getting understanding from the ranter
Sycophancy and trolling in equal measure.
Quite an achievement.
 
He cannot see that a world which is moving away from oil and oil production for greener energy and a heavily anti-oil, global climate change campaign gaining support, isn't the best long term model to base your nations economy off.

Scotland is way too late to the oil producing party and it would also raise many questions that a nation aiming to be 100% renewable energy is then going to be basing it's economic survival by contributing to oil production. It would smack of hypocrisy by the Scottish Government.
other than the fact that Scotland leads Europe in its generation of renewable energy :-) 60% of total electricity generated comes from renewable sources. Mainly wind.
 
other than the fact that Scotland leads Europe in its generation of renewable energy :-) 60% of total electricity generated comes from renewable sources. Mainly wind.
And you're going to base your economy off oil sales. So you'll still be contributing to others using oil, won't you.
 
And you're going to base your economy off oil sales. So you'll still be contributing to others using oil, won't you.
I'm sure there will be a broad based case made which takes into account all aspects of the Scottish economy including its oil reserves and green energy production and potential.
 
'If money is no longer the definitive driver of political decisions (see Brexit), Scots may be starting to look more broadly at what they desire from their country. On that front they may find the UK sadly wanting, and decide to take a lesson from their Brexit-voting neighbours about what really matters.'

I found that quote in an American political article and quite liked it as it plays into some of the discussions here.

'taking back control'
'the will of the people'
'lets go WTO'
'unleash Scotland's potential'
'Get independence done'
'strong and stable'

and if the English cut up rough in the negotiation..

'no deal is better than a bad deal'

all suddenly have a strange resonance and attraction.......
 

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