Scrapping VAT and removing charitable schools - Labour policy - do you agree with it ?

[metalblue]

They do use it.

I'd imagine their cleaners, gardeners, and house keepers are are more likely to be state educated.

That’s right because they all live like it’s downton abbey. Go to a parents evening and you’ll be surprised by how many are actually nurses and paramedics, not living this life you seem to have in your head.

 

[metalblue]

I totally agree with it.
I’d like to see them all abolished.

Why?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

At best this policy will directly net the treasury half of that, or to put it in context if every penny directly raised from this policy went to education it would increase the education budget by 0.4%, indirectly (through increased spending power of parents) there may be more VAT raised but that is both hard to quantify and it certainly won’t end up being ring fenced for education.

If these privately educated children end up in better jobs with better pay than their state educated equivalents (an argument made in this thread) then by reducing attendance at private school is harmful to the future tax receipts if this country. We can’t have it both ways.

No it isn't. Those jobs will just go to other people.

I’d conclude by saying education is not goods it’s an investment and should not be subject to VAT, within the same investment context we should be spending much more on state provision on education, it should be up by at least 30% from current levels. Education is one of those things that should more than pay for itself in the long term so spending more on it is a bit of a no brainer.

It’s a service. As most of the country gets by with a state education It's also a luxury.

If you feel the state education system isn't good enough for your children, campaign to improve it rather than undermine it.

 

[metalblue]

No it isn't. Those jobs will just go to other people.



It’s a service. As most of the country gets by with a state education It's also a luxury.

If you feel the state education system isn't good enough for your children, campaign to improve it rather than undermine it.

Education is a service? You’re actually insane.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

That’s right because they all live like it’s downton abbey. Go to a parents evening and you’ll be surprised by how many are actually nurses and paramedics, not living this life you seem to have in your head.

It was a glib response to a daft premise. Everyone uses and benefits from the state education system indirectly.

Nurses and paramedics who can afford 40K a year school fees?

 

[bluenova]

At best this policy will directly net the treasury half of that, or to put it in context if every penny directly raised from this policy went to education it would increase the education budget by 0.4%, indirectly (through increased spending power of parents) there may be more VAT raised but that is both hard to quantify and it certainly won’t end up being ring fenced for education.

If these privately educated children end up in better jobs with better pay than their state educated equivalents (an argument made in this thread) then by reducing attendance at private school is harmful to the future tax receipts if this country. We can’t have it both ways.

I’d conclude by saying education is not goods it’s an investment and should not be subject to VAT, within the same investment context we should be spending much more on state provision on education, it should be up by at least 30% from current levels. Education is one of those things that should more than pay for itself in the long term so spending more on it is a bit of a no brainer.

I have to defer to the Institute of Fiscal Studies over your own analysis I'm afraid ;)

If it's 1.3-1.5bn, then it's 2-2.5% of the schools budget (which is only part of the overall education budget). If that's targeted at, say the poorest 10%, then you're talking about a significant 20-25% boost per pupil. You may assume that it's not going to be ringfenced, but that's the stated policy.

 

[PragueBlue]

It was a glib response to a daft premise. Everyone uses and benefits from the state education system indirectly.

Nurses and paramedics who can afford 40K a year school fees?

Most are nowhere near 40K a year.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Education is a service? You’re actually insane.

As in not "goods", goods are tangible.

I wasn't aware classifying something using the standard definition was insanity.

 

[metalblue]

It was a glib response to a daft premise. Everyone uses and benefits from the state education system indirectly.

Nurses and paramedics who can afford 40K a year school fees?

£14k a year, I know a few.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Most are nowhere near 40K a year.

The average is not far off it for boarders.

For a day pupil it is 20K.

I also did it a little research on the three private schools in my own town. The cheapest is 10k a term.

How can a paramedic or nurse afford 20K unless they have a rich partner or have familial wealth?

How much does private education cost?

The cost of independent schools fees continues to rise, despite recent falls in the inflation rate. What are your options if you want to give your children a private education?

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