Scrapping VAT and removing charitable schools - Labour policy - do you agree with it ?

[metalblue]

As in not "goods", goods are tangible.

I wasn't aware classifying something using the standard definition was insanity.

Education irrespective of how it’s paid for (none of it is free) is an investment (in human capital).

Investments should be taxed at end, not at start (once you enter the world of work in the case of education).

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

£14k a year, I know a few.

For such a paltry fee what are they gaining from that?

Couldn't they just join a golf club or David Lloyd gym if they want their children to network with other middle-middle class snobs?

 

[meltonblue]

£14k a year, I know a few.

If they’re paying 14k a year then I doubt the schools would pass much of the costs on to them if this policy was implemented.

 

[Corky]

My local private school is £16k a year for the final 5 years, I know people who send their kids there and similar on average wages, and it is mainly grandparents forking out from what I can tell.

It relieves some of the burden on the state system, pointless attacking them for ideological reasons when it could end up costing the public purse more in the end.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Education irrespective of how it’s paid for (none of it is free) is an investment (in human capital).

Investments should be taxed at end, not at start (once you enter the world of work in the case of education).

You make a good point. So let's not leave investment to the whims of parents.

It is part of infrastructure.

 

[lloydie]

Even when you consider they are paying for a state education system they do not use?

I have no kids of my own, do I get a refund?

 

[Ashton Moss Messi]

If you were starting from a 100% state school position and somebody said "I want to start a fee-paying school, let me be a charity and not pay VAT. In return we'll let (some) kids from poor families pay nothing" what would you tell them?

Me - Good luck, but pay your fucking taxes like the rest of us


For reference, Manchester Grammar...

Fees for the year 2023/24 are £15,180 per year, or £5,060 per term.
Thanks to the generosity of our donors, since 1998 we have spent £25 million funding life-changing bursary places for more than 600 bright boys, who might otherwise have missed out on a first-class education because of their financial circumstances.

so that's 600 in 25 years
there are currently c1,600 kids enrolled at say £15k average, that's £24M per year

 

[metalblue]

The average is not far off it for boarders.

For a day pupil it is 20K.

I also did it a little research on the three private schools in my own town. The cheapest is 10k a term.

How can a paramedic or nurse afford 20K unless they have a rich partner or have familial wealth?

How much does private education cost?

The cost of independent schools fees continues to rise, despite recent falls in the inflation rate. What are your options if you want to give your children a private education?

www.sjp.co.uk

A couple of band 5 nurses at final pay point married to each other will be earning £70k a year, two band 6 mid point £75k. two band 7 at first pay point £86k - there is this misconception that those sending their kids to private school are on serious cash, they really aren’t (some are for sure) but these are the people who will have to take their kids out if they start paying another 20%. Full time child care in this country will run you to £13k a year, if they can then send their kid to private school for the same money it’s not such a hard choice. Yes they go without luxuries like holidays and keep the old car etc.

 

[BeerIsTheBest]

Can’t be right or representative can it?……….

Green, F. 2022. ‘Private Schools and Inequality.’

% of privately educated in positions of power, 2019/20
Cabinet: 40%
House of Lords: 60%
Police Chiefs: 25%
Senior Judges: 70%
Diplomats: 55%

Pupil / teacher ratio since 2011

State/ Secondary: 18/1
Private: 9/1

 

[meltonblue]

If you were starting from a 100% state school position and somebody said "I want to start a fee-paying school, let me be a charity and not pay VAT. In return we'll let (some) kids from poor families pay nothing" what would you tell them?

Me - Good luck, but pay your fucking taxes like the rest of us


For reference, Manchester Grammar...

Fees for the year 2023/24 are £15,180 per year, or £5,060 per term.
Thanks to the generosity of our donors, since 1998 we have spent £25 million funding life-changing bursary places for more than 600 bright boys, who might otherwise have missed out on a first-class education because of their financial circumstances.

so that's 600 in 25 years
there are currently c1,600 kids enrolled at say £15k average, that's £24M per year

Even the conservatives and Gove in particular were arguing that the VAT exemption should go not that long ago and threatened it in their 2017 manifesto if private schools didn’t do more to help the state sector.