Sean Dyche - vaccine for footballers?

[Bluesince1979]

If football was suspended we could just go on netflix, or read a book, or play ps4. But I get your point.

That result the other night lifted me like none of the above could possibly ever do.
I know football is carrying on because of the money, no doubt, but its serving a purpose too

 

[FightLikeAGirl]

My mental health actually went up when there was no football on. I get anxiety attacks when Everton play sometimes.

 

[discopop]

I think it could be ok if done right, sort the high risk out first with the funding they provide upfront. Significant funding to the NHS to help things going forward, who could really argue with that?

They play a contact sport every 3 days in some cases, where an outbreak of the newest strain could be harder to detect and spread more rapidly than anyone anticipated. There's not many professions you can compare that to, so they are at higher risk than most of the general public in my view. Obviously it's not just football, all contact sports where you potentially come into contact with another sweaty human being without any protection but not all sports have the same resources that the PL do. As for them being fit, it sounds as though how badly it affects you can differ greatly regardless of how young and fit you are and lets not forget they also have families who they'll want to protect, so it's not that simple.

I feel like some people are actually showing that they believe footballers matter less than the general public because of what they earn, which is equally as immoral as suggesting a footballer is more important than an OAP at high risk.

All that’s put to bed when Gary Chuckle and Tyler were telling us only week or so ago how safe Prem League football is, not many on this thread have mentioned what players earn, it’s more about the entitlement of certain people within the game and how throwing a million here or there buys a vaccine for the industry.

 

[Metalartin]

All that’s put to bed when Gary Chuckle and Tyler were telling us only week or so ago how safe Prem League football is, not many on this thread have mentioned what players earn, it’s more about the entitlement of certain people within the game and how throwing a million here or there buys a vaccine for the industry.

It wasn't put to bed, they were saying what they needed to, to justify the continuation of the PL and my point stands. If it was that safe, there wouldn't have been any outbreaks at all at PL clubs and there have been numerous. Has there even been a confirmed case of the new more easily spread strain at a PL club yet? We might not know how badly that could hit the PL yet. The sentiment I speak of is there in the closing of your last post, you're still saying a PL footballers shouldn't get it before the general public "because money".

Isn't this all theoretical for now anyway? So nobody can say how significant the amount the PL can offer is or isn't but can you not see the argument that the NHS could actually do with some extra funding and that could help the NHS? I'm trying to look at it from both sides and find a scenario that could work, I'm certainly not in a privileged position myself. If it ended up that they paid pittance and were put before high risk and front line staff, then I'd be saying much of the same things as you.

I still feel they are at higher risk than the majority of professions for the reasons I've already stated in my last post.

If football is stopped then there is no case for it but if football is to continue and if the PL does provide funding to the NHS, then why shouldn't they get it before Joe Bloggs who's not at high risk? I was pretty clear that high risk(which includes frontline staff as I understand it) should be dealt with first, regardless of any funding provided, so that argument is out of the window.

 

[BlueTG]

I’d personally like to see myself and fellow education staff, amongst many other front line workers be moved up the priority list before anyone gives this one the thought. Though, money talks.

 

[Centurions]

It wasn't put to bed, they were saying what they needed to, to justify the continuation of the PL and my point stands. If it was that safe, there wouldn't have been any outbreaks at all at PL clubs and there have been numerous. Has there even been a confirmed case of the new more easily spread strain at a PL club yet? We might not know how badly that could hit the PL yet. The sentiment I speak of is there in the closing of your last post, you're still saying a PL footballers shouldn't get it before the general public "because money".

Isn't this all theoretical for now anyway? So nobody can say how significant the amount the PL can offer is or isn't but can you not see the argument that the NHS could actually do with some extra funding and that could help the NHS? I'm trying to look at it from both sides and find a scenario that could work, I'm certainly not in a privileged position myself. If it ended up that they paid pittance and were put before high risk and front line staff, then I'd be saying much of the same things as you.

I still feel they are at higher risk than the majority of professions for the reasons I've already stated in my last post.

If football is stopped then there is no case for it but if football is to continue and if the PL does provide funding to the NHS, then why shouldn't they get it before Joe Bloggs who's not at high risk? I was pretty clear that high risk(which includes frontline staff as I understand it) should be dealt with first, regardless of any funding provided, so that argument is out of the window.

"In September, 2020, this variant represented just one in four new diagnoses of COVID-19, whereas by mid-December, this had increased to almost two thirds of new cases in London."
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(21)00005-9/fulltext

It started on the south east and by now has effectively killed off the original version by dint of being more transmittable.

You say that people are acting as if footballers aren't equal but the only person I've seen say anything like that is yourself. You seem to think that if they can pay they can get the vaccine before me, little old Joe Bloggs. I'm coming up to 60 years old shortly but am otherwise fit and healthy, my wife not so much. If it was available for purchase we could easily afford to jump the queue, would we? Not a bloody chance.

Footballers and football in general have decided to put themselves at risk for money reasons. And yet you think we should reward them further? Just because you enjoyed us beating the rags? If we lost would you be calling for this stupid idea to be scrapped?

Out of interest just where would you like them to be placed on the tier system? I'm in tier 8 or 9 from memory, the wife on a tier or two higher. Would you put them as more important than just me or above my wife as well? What about frontline staff, teachers, carers, emergency workers such as fire and police? Just how important do you think football is?

 

[wayne71]

"In September, 2020, this variant represented just one in four new diagnoses of COVID-19, whereas by mid-December, this had increased to almost two thirds of new cases in London."
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(21)00005-9/fulltext

It started on the south east and by now has effectively killed off the original version by dint of being more transmittable.

You say that people are acting as if footballers aren't equal but the only person I've seen say anything like that is yourself. You seem to think that if they can pay they can get the vaccine before me, little old Joe Bloggs. I'm coming up to 60 years old shortly but am otherwise fit and healthy, my wife not so much. If it was available for purchase we could easily afford to jump the queue, would we? Not a bloody chance.

Footballers and football in general have decided to put themselves at risk for money reasons. And yet you think we should reward them further? Just because you enjoyed us beating the rags? If we lost would you be calling for this stupid idea to be scrapped?

Out of interest just where would you like them to be placed on the tier system? I'm in tier 8 or 9 from memory, the wife on a tier or two higher. Would you put them as more important than just me or above my wife as well? What about frontline staff, teachers, carers, emergency workers such as fire and police? Just how important do you think football is?

Are you saying footballers have a choice if they want to play/train?

IMHO regardless of how rich you are, if you are expected to work during covid you should be amongst the first to get the vaccine, after the at risk people and if you want it.

I think the real question is should football be played at all?

 

[Asa's left peg]

Really uncomfortable with this. As others have said, where would it stop? Who's next?

Would be interesting to see whether the players, or even the PFA, agreed with it. A lot already think they are immune anyway, having parties and flying to Dubai, so they probably don't even need it!

 

[Corky]

I’d personally like to see myself and fellow education staff, amongst many other front line workers be moved up the priority list before anyone gives this one the thought. Though, money talks.

Some elite level footballers are teachers and work for the NHS too.

 

[Centurions]

Are you saying footballers have a choice if they want to play/train?

IMHO regardless of how rich you are, if you are expected to work during covid you should be amongst the first to get the vaccine, after the at risk people and if you want it.

I think the real question is should football be played at all?

Of course they have a choice, the same way you would if your works told you to come in and put yourself at risk.

What an idiotic question.