Season Card Reservations/Relocations Direct Debit update 11/6

[franksinatra]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

frank are you David Conn in disguise?

Are there any redeeming features of Manchester City Football Club, apart from the ones you've listed below

The club has shown its greed

Sagna who I doubt gives a jot

waste and disastrous transfer policy of the past couple of year

Empty seats

Manchester Citys 'corporate image' which is the most important thing

Do not expect the club to take any moral decision or consider the interests of fans

ps you missed out massive somewhere, perhaps you've already mentioned the massive increases or the massive liberty they're taking

As I said in a previous post fans feel it necessary to defend the club and due to the input and success over the past years it is understandable to a certain extent. As highlighted by your comments it is easier to categorise or infer fans are United supporters than refute the points made by those critical of the clubs current trajectory.

I have turned full circle in relation to this issue of late so I will not criticise others who have not. Yes I do not like the corporate side of the football club but that is only one aspect of the club. Hopefully football, not just City, will have a wake up call before the relationship between a football club and its community is lost forever.

I was lucky as a kid, I would trundle down to Platt lane watch the players train, wait outside the front entrance, collect autographs, receive a wave of Andy Dibble and receive a season ticket in the kippax for £40 for my birthday. To me is seems a shame a whole generation of local kids will miss out on this opportunity.

I will retain the right to criticise, on a forum, a policy I think is detrimental to the values which I would like the club to uphold and in my opinion marginalises a large support of our fan base even further. What is the point of success if those who have followed the club for years are intending to walk away?

Anyway continue with your cheapshots and sly insults its a lot easier than debating the issue of increased price rises, the neccessity of them and the influence on the fanbase.

 

[pardoeofftomexico]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

The club has shown its greed and its intent to wring the last penny from the real fan or replace them completely. Still at least some footballer like Sagna who I doubt gives a jot for the club will be paid handsomely for turning up for training. The fact is price rises like this could be more than avoided if the waste and disastrous transfer policy of the past couple of years had been avoided. Still it is not just City.

Well said. The FFP excuse is spouted by apologists who will still be defending the club when normal season ticket prices hit £1,000. One look at the numbers and upcoming revenues from TV, Champions League and commercial show that these price hikes are completely needless - and the same goes for any well off club in this country. Tens upon tens of millions in new revenues are set to fill the club coffers, but they still want to squeeze a few million more out of the fans. It's true our match day revenue is behind several clubs, but we offset that with good commercial revenues and of course our near permanent place in the Champions League elite, which always means cashing in despite our persistent failure there.

Our fan base lacks the hub other clubs like United (MUST) and Liverpool (SoS) have to challenge or question decisions. We get hit by price hikes, we moan online, but we don't really question them on a stage where it matters. City, a club conscious of its public image (see: the 180 on Viagogo), but not having said image put under any real stress by the fan base. They must be laughing at how passive the fan base is, like dogs who they can hit as many times as they please, only for it to crawl back obediently.

The truth is, and this is one of the most unpopular things that could be said on BM, we're greedier than United. Yes, greedier than United! Words you'd never have expected to hear 8 years ago. United are a club with a bigger fanbase yet announced price freezes for the 5th time in 6 years in January, despite missing the Champions League revenue. People will use the "BUT £299 SEASON TICKETS!!!!!" rebuttal, but how many really have a chance of getting one? And United's most expensive season ticket is £950. Ours is now £1,750. Our soulless execs upstairs have turned us into a greedy corporate whore of a club, betraying the huge working class fan base that follows it.

Post of the thread so far, this Soriano bloke has no idea about this clubs historic fanbase, instead he's herding in day trippers to fill level two and fuck all those fans that have sat there since 2004. Yes fans have been warned what was going to happen in level two and now they will have to go upto level three or drop into level one to make it affordable.

Level two offers the best view of the pitch by far so why shouldn't fans feel they are being marginalised ?

We are quickly becoming and identity less club with no regard for the fans.

Level 2 season ticket prices are nothing short of scandalous- concentrate on this club Soriano and not fucking clubs in New York and Melbourne.

Come down to level 1 it's not that bad. I wouldn't pay £1,000 let alone £1,750 but if the club can get it they are entitled to do so. How many seats are there at £1,000 and above compared to the additional seats that will become available? You can't stop progress because it is 'your' seat. Worse things can happen. Sometimes people get their house knocked down because there is a new road being built and have to move.

 

[franksinatra]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

i suspect quite a few moaning on here don't go to the Etihad mate

Ah the old if you don't agree with my viewpoint you're a rag/not a true blue. Do grow up.

There are a fair few that have good reason to moan.

i didn't mention rags mate, in any of my posts on this matter

do try and keep up

No you wrote this instead:

ps you missed out massive somewhere, perhaps you've already mentioned the massive increases or the massive liberty they're taking

Which as everyone knows is an inference that the person is a rag by the use of the word 'massive'. You are not even able to be honest with yourself.

 

[flb]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

Well said. The FFP excuse is spouted by apologists who will still be defending the club when normal season ticket prices hit £1,000. One look at the numbers and upcoming revenues from TV, Champions League and commercial show that these price hikes are completely needless - and the same goes for any well off club in this country. Tens upon tens of millions in new revenues are set to fill the club coffers, but they still want to squeeze a few million more out of the fans. It's true our match day revenue is behind several clubs, but we offset that with good commercial revenues and of course our near permanent place in the Champions League elite, which always means cashing in despite our persistent failure there.

Our fan base lacks the hub other clubs like United (MUST) and Liverpool (SoS) have to challenge or question decisions. We get hit by price hikes, we moan online, but we don't really question them on a stage where it matters. City, a club conscious of its public image (see: the 180 on Viagogo), but not having said image put under any real stress by the fan base. They must be laughing at how passive the fan base is, like dogs who they can hit as many times as they please, only for it to crawl back obediently.

The truth is, and this is one of the most unpopular things that could be said on BM, we're greedier than United. Yes, greedier than United! Words you'd never have expected to hear 8 years ago. United are a club with a bigger fanbase yet announced price freezes for the 5th time in 6 years in January, despite missing the Champions League revenue. People will use the "BUT £299 SEASON TICKETS!!!!!" rebuttal, but how many really have a chance of getting one? And United's most expensive season ticket is £950. Ours is now £1,750. Our soulless execs upstairs have turned us into a greedy corporate whore of a club, betraying the huge working class fan base that follows it.

Post of the thread so far, this Soriano bloke has no idea about this clubs historic fanbase, instead he's herding in day trippers to fill level two and fuck all those fans that have sat there since 2004. Yes fans have been warned what was going to happen in level two and now they will have to go upto level three or drop into level one to make it affordable.

Level two offers the best view of the pitch by far so why shouldn't fans feel they are being marginalised ?
the reason you're protecting your right to cheap seats with the best view

We are quickly becoming and identity less club with no regard for the fans.
Free Doves gig
expanded stadium
free watching the first team training sessions
CFA (only cost a couple of quid)
free auctions for goodies
City Square
pre-match entertainment
Guy Fawkes fireworks
free entrance to EDS, under 18s and EUFA under 19s comps
interest free loan for payment

oh and i nearly forgot
FA Cup
Premier League x2
League Cup

for starters, I'm sure others could add

Level 2 season ticket prices are nothing short of scandalous- concentrate on this club Soriano and not fucking clubs in New York and Melbourne.

All great of course if you like fireworks and the doves and "winning" a used captains armband

You can't dress up the level 2 ST prices fella, scandalous prices which is alienating fans who rightly expect a good view of the game.

 

[squirtyflower]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

frank are you David Conn in disguise?

Are there any redeeming features of Manchester City Football Club, apart from the ones you've listed below

The club has shown its greed

Sagna who I doubt gives a jot

waste and disastrous transfer policy of the past couple of year

Empty seats

Manchester Citys 'corporate image' which is the most important thing

Do not expect the club to take any moral decision or consider the interests of fans

ps you missed out massive somewhere, perhaps you've already mentioned the massive increases or the massive liberty they're taking

As I said in a previous post fans feel it necessary to defend the club and due to the input and success over the past years it is understandable to a certain extent. As highlighted by your comments it is easier to categorise or infer fans are United supporters than refute the points made by those critical of the clubs current trajectory.

I have turned full circle in relation to this issue of late so I will not criticise others who have not. Yes I do not like the corporate side of the football club but that is only one aspect of the club. Hopefully football, not just City, will have a wake up call before the relationship between a football club and its community is lost forever.

I was lucky as a kid, I would trundle down to Platt lane watch the players train, wait outside the front entrance, collect autographs, receive a wave of Andy Dibble and receive a season ticket in the kippax for £40 for my birthday. To me is seems a shame a whole generation of local kids will miss out on this opportunity.

I will retain the right to criticise, on a forum, a policy I think is detrimental to the values which I would like the club to uphold and in my opinion marginalises a large support of our fan base even further. What is the point of success if those who have followed the club for years are intending to walk away?

Anyway continue with your cheapshots and sly insults its a lot easier than debating the issue of increased price rises, the neccessity of them and the influence on the fanbase.

Actually I have never once said you are a rag in here, I actually accused you of being a Conn, much worse imo, as your diatribe about walking down to Platt Lane clearly evidences.
Perhaps you prefer the piss and shit of the Kippax Street when boys kicked a rolled up bundle of socks together as a football, life moves on, and whilst I understand some prefer to hanker for the past I feel nothing but pity for an lucid person that can't move with the times and live in the present day but instead prefer to wallow in that self pity whilst attempting to drag us all down their to their level

And i will continue to put my views forward and criticise those moaning cunts who are here deliberately trolling a forum to denigrate the club for their own pathetic little agenda
Especially when the poster uses such vindictive invective that is too easily refuted by looking at some of the fact available

Evening David, I've got to run as the wife's just been to the scullery and cooked us up some fine fish on the fire.

 

[squirtyflower]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

Post of the thread so far, this Soriano bloke has no idea about this clubs historic fanbase, instead he's herding in day trippers to fill level two and fuck all those fans that have sat there since 2004. Yes fans have been warned what was going to happen in level two and now they will have to go upto level three or drop into level one to make it affordable.

Level two offers the best view of the pitch by far so why shouldn't fans feel they are being marginalised ?
the reason you're protecting your right to cheap seats with the best view

We are quickly becoming and identity less club with no regard for the fans.
Free Doves gig
expanded stadium
free watching the first team training sessions
CFA (only cost a couple of quid)
free auctions for goodies
City Square
pre-match entertainment
Guy Fawkes fireworks
free entrance to EDS, under 18s and EUFA under 19s comps
interest free loan for payment

oh and i nearly forgot
FA Cup
Premier League x2
League Cup

for starters, I'm sure others could add

Level 2 season ticket prices are nothing short of scandalous- concentrate on this club Soriano and not fucking clubs in New York and Melbourne.

All great of course if you like fireworks and the doves and "winning" a used captains armband

You can't dress up the level 2 ST prices fella, scandalous prices which is alienating fans who rightly expect a good view of the game.

so out of all those listed above you don't like the doves or fireworks

as to the captain's armband? well ask those on here who got a free trip to Abu Dhabi to watch City

Those owners eh, we should do a swap for Mike Ashley


I've already answered the L2 prices for you above

 

[franksinatra]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

Well said. The FFP excuse is spouted by apologists who will still be defending the club when normal season ticket prices hit £1,000. One look at the numbers and upcoming revenues from TV, Champions League and commercial show that these price hikes are completely needless - and the same goes for any well off club in this country. Tens upon tens of millions in new revenues are set to fill the club coffers, but they still want to squeeze a few million more out of the fans. It's true our match day revenue is behind several clubs, but we offset that with good commercial revenues and of course our near permanent place in the Champions League elite, which always means cashing in despite our persistent failure there.

Our fan base lacks the hub other clubs like United (MUST) and Liverpool (SoS) have to challenge or question decisions. We get hit by price hikes, we moan online, but we don't really question them on a stage where it matters. City, a club conscious of its public image (see: the 180 on Viagogo), but not having said image put under any real stress by the fan base. They must be laughing at how passive the fan base is, like dogs who they can hit as many times as they please, only for it to crawl back obediently.

The truth is, and this is one of the most unpopular things that could be said on BM, we're greedier than United. Yes, greedier than United! Words you'd never have expected to hear 8 years ago. United are a club with a bigger fanbase yet announced price freezes for the 5th time in 6 years in January, despite missing the Champions League revenue. People will use the "BUT £299 SEASON TICKETS!!!!!" rebuttal, but how many really have a chance of getting one? And United's most expensive season ticket is £950. Ours is now £1,750. Our soulless execs upstairs have turned us into a greedy corporate whore of a club, betraying the huge working class fan base that follows it.

Post of the thread so far, this Soriano bloke has no idea about this clubs historic fanbase, instead he's herding in day trippers to fill level two and fuck all those fans that have sat there since 2004. Yes fans have been warned what was going to happen in level two and now they will have to go upto level three or drop into level one to make it affordable.

Level two offers the best view of the pitch by far so why shouldn't fans feel they are being marginalised ?

We are quickly becoming and identity less club with no regard for the fans.

Level 2 season ticket prices are nothing short of scandalous- concentrate on this club Soriano and not fucking clubs in New York and Melbourne.

Come down to level 1 it's not that bad. I wouldn't pay £1,000 let alone £1,750 but if the club can get it they are entitled to do so. How many seats are there at £1,000 and above compared to the additional seats that will become available? You can't stop progress because it is 'your' seat. Worse things can happen. Sometimes people get their house knocked down because there is a new road being built and have to move.

You are correct the prices are cheaper elsewhere in the stadium but it is a shame groups of friends and aquaintances which have turned into friendships are being broken. The fact is the Etihad second tier will look more like club wembley over the forthcoming years to accomodate a number of people who have little interest in the club and are more interested in the hospitality for their once a season visit. Sadly they will be sat in the best seats in the house while others who have sat their religiously for ten years will be displaced.

 

[blueparrot]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

There'll be a fair few blues priced out and no doubt plenty of empty seats next season but I'm sure the management know that and feel any gains are worth alienating some fans.

There again maybe we'll sign Messi and the stadium will be packed.

I'm hoping for the latter but expecting the former.

Nobody will be priced out. The only big increases are the level 2 increases and they are the ones who will get the pick of the stadium and will probably pay less than they do now. Some may decide they don't want to sit anywhere else, fair enough but they haven't been priced out. Everywhere else people seem to have had small increases or stayed the same.
If there are empty seats they would be in the vacated level 2 seats, but I don't expect the club came up with the expensive seat prices and packages without any market research.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

Ah the old if you don't agree with my viewpoint you're a rag/not a true blue. Do grow up.

There are a fair few that have good reason to moan.

i didn't mention rags mate, in any of my posts on this matter

do try and keep up

No you wrote this instead:

ps you missed out massive somewhere, perhaps you've already mentioned the massive increases or the massive liberty they're taking

Which as everyone knows is an inference that the person is a rag by the use of the word 'massive'. You are not even able to be honest with yourself.

Well squirtyflower knows for sure that I'm not a rag and I'm severely critical of the club and many of its actions towards us since Cook left and Soriano took over as CEO. A football club is nothing without its fans and while I recognise and am grateful for the fact that we've moved on since we were on the verge of administration a couple of times, I don't like what the club is doing to people who have supported it through thick and thin in favour of wealthy people who may not have been bothered about us before now and who wouldn't have been seen dead at Maine Road or even The Etihad a few years ago.

They don't talk to the fans anymore unless it suits them and although they've provided a singing section (and well done to the 1894 Group who did that) what we really want is a contiguous section, rather than having away fans in the middle of it. So they're quite happy to shift City fans who have sat in their seats since 2003 but won't shift the people who only come once per season. The revenue from the ordinary supporter is probably around 5% of our total revenue and when they were talking about rewarding loyalty, it would have been nice to say "If you've had a season ticket for 10 years or more continuously, we'll knock 10% off." Would have cost them coppers relatively speaking (less than £1m for one season I reckon).

Having said that, I've said a few times on here that our mix of standard and premium seating doesn't compare to clubs like the rags and Arsenal and, if we want to raise significant revenue from matchday sources, that will have to change. But why not offer to stage the increase over 2 or 3 seasons if you've been there since we moved?

They may think they know best but they don't talk to us and they sometimes get it wrong, much as they sometimes get it wrong in the transfer market. There's no shame in standing up and saying so.

 

[pardoeofftomexico]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

Post of the thread so far, this Soriano bloke has no idea about this clubs historic fanbase, instead he's herding in day trippers to fill level two and fuck all those fans that have sat there since 2004. Yes fans have been warned what was going to happen in level two and now they will have to go upto level three or drop into level one to make it affordable.

Level two offers the best view of the pitch by far so why shouldn't fans feel they are being marginalised ?

We are quickly becoming and identity less club with no regard for the fans.

Level 2 season ticket prices are nothing short of scandalous- concentrate on this club Soriano and not fucking clubs in New York and Melbourne.

Come down to level 1 it's not that bad. I wouldn't pay £1,000 let alone £1,750 but if the club can get it they are entitled to do so. How many seats are there at £1,000 and above compared to the additional seats that will become available? You can't stop progress because it is 'your' seat. Worse things can happen. Sometimes people get their house knocked down because there is a new road being built and have to move.

You are correct the prices are cheaper elsewhere in the stadium but it is a shame groups of friends and aquaintances which have turned into friendships are being broken. The fact is the Etihad second tier will look more like club wembley over the forthcoming years to accomodate a number of people who have little interest in the club and are more interested in the hospitality for their once a season visit. Sadly they will be sat in the best seats in the house while others who have sat their religiously for ten years will be displaced.

Hopefully, if they are quick off the mark with requests to move the club will be able to help people sit with friends.