Sergio Aguero - 2017/18 performances

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Charlesfarsbar said:
He's been carrying that since the Everton game, four months....

Big news about to break this week
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Imagine how sad and lonely you’d have to be to pretend you know anything about Aguero’s future and imaginary ‘big news’

There’s an awful lot of mountains being made out of molehills on here over the last couple of days. The facts are we are top of the league because of the contributions of both players (Jesus/Sergio) who are getting a fairly even amount of minutes and have similar stats.
Both have a huge part to play over the course of the season and we’re very lucky that they both play for us.
 
OB1 said:
Opinions are great but here's some facts.

In the league:

Jesus has 8 goals from 27 shots (20 shots on target).
Sergio has 9 goals from 30 shots (17 shots on target).

So Jesus hits the target more often and they both have almost identical conversion rates (29.6% / 30%). They both have superior conversion rates to Harry Kane (under 20%), Lookaka, Salah, Morata & Alexis Sanchez.

Of course Raz has a better conversion rate at 36%.
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I like the xG and xA validation in that context. Both - Jesus and Sergio are underperforming there - but not extremely (what is a little irritating for me is the colour green for somebody that has less goals than his xG or xA - and the red for somebody that has more goals/assists than xA or xG)

https://understat.com/team/Manchester_City/2017

Actually combined with chance creation Agüero outperforms Jesus.
 
Just read this artical! didn’t kun resigne a new contract earlier this year.
Anyone know if it is truth to this, or just the normal, reports over making BIG out of minor frustration from kun

http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/19/sergi...-squad-real-madrid-prepare-62m-offer-7171722/

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Anyone thinking that Aguero will leave and miss out on a potential record breaking season is absolutely mental. Like certifiable mental.
Maybe he’ll go in the summer, who knows, but January? Fuckinell! Haha!
 
Maldeika said:
I like the xG and xA validation in that context. Both - Jesus and Sergio are underperforming there - but not extremely (what is a little irritating for me is the colour green for somebody that has less goals than his xG or xA - and the red for somebody that has more goals/assists than xA or xG)

https://understat.com/team/Manchester_City/2017

Actually combined with chance creation Agüero outperforms Jesus.
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Interesting. I agree it's awful colour coding.

Obviously XG is becoming popular but I have no idea how reliable it is or how exactly it is calculated but it looks like it has a fair bit of data and computing power behind it.
 
Pablo1 said:
Anyone thinking that Aguero will leave and miss out on a potential record breaking season is absolutely mental. Like certifiable mental.
Maybe he’ll go in the summer, who knows, but January? Fuckinell! Haha!
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I have thought for some time that he will most probably choose to leave next summer but I wouldn't say it was a racing certainty.
 
Oh the irony if he left and we won the champions league this season, personally i think if we win the CL this season Aguero will be off in summer, no way he will go before unless we have a Stella signing lined up. If he goes in summer I wish him all the best and I’d love to meet him to personally to say thank you for giving me the second best moment in my life.
 
OB1 said:
Interesting. I agree it's awful colour coding.

Obviously XG is becoming popular but I have no idea how reliable it is or how exactly it is calculated but it looks like it has a fair bit of data and computing power behind it.
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It says more about the kind of chances somebody has then just the number of shots. It is based on the probability somebody shots a goal in this situation, out of this position with the amount of defenders around. I like xA even more that values the related assists. There is so many players that have a high number of key passes but only because they prepare the shots out of the box where it is easier, cross a lot etc. The xA on 90 minutes just shows who creates the quality key passes and usually xA and xG are a lot closer to the real goal tally than the simple numbers are.

His personal stats side show the positions he has shot from - you can choose to see only a special season or even special goal situations.

https://understat.com/player/619

(when you move your mouse over the coloured dots you see what game and what minute the shot was)
 
OB1 said:
Opinions are great but here's some facts.

In the league:

Jesus has 8 goals from 27 shots (20 shots on target).
Sergio has 9 goals from 30 shots (17 shots on target).

So Jesus hits the target more often and they both have almost identical conversion rates (29.6% / 30%). They both have superior conversion rates to Harry Kane (under 20%), Lookaka, Salah, Morata & Alexis Sanchez.

Of course Raz has a better conversion rate at 36%.
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This generally isn't good for my emotional arguments. It doesn't support what I think I see. :0
 
Dax777 said:
This generally isn't good for my emotional arguments. It doesn't support what I think I see. :0
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I think the problem is they were scoring virtually anything they touched up to the end of October, and they've struggled to hit the barn door since. I mean, before his recent goal-scoring streak, Silva had only scored 1 of his 27 shots, his stats will look a lot better now but for 3 months they were naff, top-level stats don't give you those nuances that you notice with your eye, only breaking them down into much more detail can you see those trends.
 
BJL_City said:
I think the problem is they were scoring virtually anything they touched up to the end of October, and they've struggled to hit the barn door since. I mean, before his recent goal-scoring streak, Silva had only scored 1 of his 27 shots, his stats will look a lot better now but for 3 months they were naff, top-level stats don't give you those nuances that you notice with your eye, only breaking them down into much more detail can you see those trends.
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It's the whole ethos of a pep team, the 'team' means more than the individual and completely prepares for the peaks and troughs all players go through...

What's exciting is we could feasibly have 5/6 players on 20+ come may, I'm happy as Larry with that!
 
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
It's the whole ethos of a pep team, the 'team' means more than the individual and completely prepares for the peaks and troughs all players go through...

What's exciting is we could feasibly have 5/6 players on 20+ come may, I'm happy as Larry with that!
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oh exactly, we're seeing that in full swing this season. I was just putting forward a reason as to why some of our stats don't necessarily reflect what we've seen from certain players in recent games.
 
BJL_City said:
oh exactly, we're seeing that in full swing this season. I was just putting forward a reason as to why some of our stats don't necessarily reflect what we've seen from certain players in recent games.
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Well stats for thew whole season won't reflect just recent games but they are relevant to the point I responded to. Also, what happens over the whole season is going to be most relevant for the league: form will fluctuate for most players.

Both players though have this season to date bettered their average conversion rate for their whole Premier League careers; Sergio rather more so than Jesus. Bottom line is that over all their league games for City, Jesus has the better conversion rate.

The fact is that too many people spout opinions based on what their eyes tell them that are not supported by fact. Opinions are often subjective on player performance but also they are often simply wrong.
 
OB1 said:
Well stats for thew whole season won't reflect just recent games but they are relevant to the point I responded to. Also, what happens over the whole season is going to be most relevant for the league: form will fluctuate for most players.

Both players though have this season to date bettered their average conversion rate for their whole Premier League careers; Sergio rather more so than Jesus. Bottom line is that over all their league games for City, Jesus has the better conversion rate.

The fact is that too many people spout opinions based on what their eyes tell them that are not supported by fact. Opinions are often subjective on player performance but also they are often simply wrong.
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This :)
 
OB1 said:
Well stats for thew whole season won't reflect just recent games but they are relevant to the point I responded to. Also, what happens over the whole season is going to be most relevant for the league: form will fluctuate for most players.

Both players though have this season to date bettered their average conversion rate for their whole Premier League careers; Sergio rather more so than Jesus. Bottom line is that over all their league games for City, Jesus has the better conversion rate.

The fact is that too many people spout opinions based on what their eyes tell them that are not supported by fact.
Opinions are often subjective on player performance but also they are often simply wrong.
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IMHO , facts/ stats can be just as misleading without looking at the bigger picture. How many of Jesus & Razs goals this season have been within the six yard box. When you are shooting from six yards out & less I would expect you to have a higher conversion rate than someone with the ability to shoot & score from further out.

We understand that Sergio is carrying a heel injury that inhibits how he plays.

As the greatest scorer of goals who has ever played for City I am not ready to write him off just yet.

Under Pep it is a team game & every player makes a contribution, not necessarily the same contribution but a contribution nevertheless.

Jesus, Aguero even Yaya , Bravo & Mangala all have a role to play in our success this year.

I value them all equally & that seems to be Peps philosophy too.
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