gordondaviesmoustache said:Anyone who says that FFP was conceived as a conspiracy between UEFA and the big clubs is ignoring the evidence. At its conception Platini made conspicuous references to debt as being the antithesis to financial prudence, rather than a lack of profitability. He would never have made such public utterances had a deal with the established elite already been struck, given how hampered by debt so many of them were, and remain.
What then clearly happened was that sometime after this, either collectively, individually, (or both) words were said, veiled threats were made by the likes of united and Bayern, and FFP morphed into what we see today.
I don't think these changes were to stop City per se, but rather its broader aim was to prevent new money coming into the game to challenge the established order. It is bound to fail imo. Human history teaches us that those with the most money always end up ultimately wielding the most power, no matter how much the prevailing establishment tries to prevent it.
For AC Milan and Ajax read the landed gentry; for City and PSG read Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg. The former might have the nicest furniture, but their influence in the modern world is forever dwindling. Cash is King, especially when it's of the black, liquid variety.
Shaelumstash said:coleridge said:jrb said:Not at all.
If you believe the rumours, we where in for RVP. He picked United instead. We still spent close to £50mill in the Summer. Unfortunately on poor buys.(minus Nasty)
Mario's sale had nothing to do with FFPR. I'm sure Mansour, Khaldoon, Soriano and Mancini decided to sell Mario due to his lacklustre dispalys and the circus that followed him.
This Summer we will be in a strong position to spend again. Increased TV/PL money, increased season ticket money, the Etihad Money, the Nike Money, and the Mario transfer money, etc. Not to mention a reduced wage bill, etc.
FFPR maybe affecting City, but it's not as bad as some people are making out.
That's just my opinion though.
Thanks for saving me the trouble. FFPR affects everyone. Never has worried me. A lot of gloom mongers and Rags about on BM today, just best ignored.
Well if there was no such thing as FFP we would not have had to reduce the wage bill, and would have improved the squad in the summer and January. Call me a rag all you want, I'll call you a simpleton if you don't understand that, you simpleton.
gordondaviesmoustache said:I don't think these changes were to stop City per se, but rather its broader aim was to prevent new money coming into the game to challenge the established order. It is bound to fail imo. Human history teaches us that those with the most money always end up ultimately wielding the most power, no matter how much the prevailing establishment tries to prevent it.
For AC Milan and Ajax read the landed gentry; for City and PSG read Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg. The former might have the nicest furniture, but their influence in the modern world is forever dwindling. Cash is King, especially when it's of the black, liquid variety.
Ours is looking, if anything, a bit thin as things stand tbh. If a declining club like Arsenal, who have been trophyless for the better part of a decade, are worth £30 million per season without an equivalent to the Etihad Campus, what price City after the eighteen or so months since the Etihad deal was announced and all that has occurred in that time?Rammy Blue said:I love the way the articles mention our deal and PSG's in the same breath - cleverly making ours at 400mil sound like it's worse than PSG's whereas there's is 200mil per year as opposed to ours being over 10 years.
Wankers, the lot of them.
gordondaviesmoustache said:Ours is looking, if anything, a bit thin as things stand tbh. If a declining club like Arsenal, who have been trophyless for the better part of a decade, are worth £30 million per season without an equivalent to the Etihad Campus, what price City after the eighteen or so months since the Ethad deal was announced and all that has occurred in that time?Rammy Blue said:I love the way the articles mention our deal and PSG's in the same breath - cleverly making ours at 400mil sound like it's worse than PSG's whereas there's is 200mil per year as opposed to ours being over 10 years.
Wankers, the lot of them.
I hope we've got our best people working on the next re-negotiation....
Der Bomber said:gordondaviesmoustache said:I don't think these changes were to stop City per se, but rather its broader aim was to prevent new money coming into the game to challenge the established order. It is bound to fail imo. Human history teaches us that those with the most money always end up ultimately wielding the most power, no matter how much the prevailing establishment tries to prevent it.
For AC Milan and Ajax read the landed gentry; for City and PSG read Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg. The former might have the nicest furniture, but their influence in the modern world is forever dwindling. Cash is King, especially when it's of the black, liquid variety.
Yeah, this.
I view the FFP nonsense within this context of a pushback by the ancien regime. Is it a factor? Sure. But will it smash our beloved City back down into permanent subservience to the filth? Not a chance.
I'll take our oil tankers full of cash v. the filth's mountain of debt - the servicing of which requiring that braying 13-year olds the world over keep buying their shirts ad infinitum. FFP or no FFP. The 13 year-olds tend to move on if you go without a trophy for a few years running.
Also, as an attorney I can damn well tell you that ALL statutory regimens have workarounds and loopholes. I'm not an expert on this area of the law per se, but I cannot for an instant feature the thought of trying to implement an enforceable set of standards to constrain massive enterprises operating on a worldwide basis and under the potential jurisdiction of an almost unlimited number of courts. As I posted somewhere here before - just TRY putting teeth into PSG when PSG drops that lawsuit at the Palais de Justice. Just try going into a court in Dagestan and fighting off Anzhi. And the instant these other European clubs kick a card out of that FFP house it will never stand up across the whole of the continent.
In short, they may be able to slow us down. But they will not TIE us down.
Cash money will find its way. If the filth and the degenerate Ottoman Empire-esque entities of the EPL (red dippers, Arse) think they can prevail over that with FIFA/UEFA/or even the EPL as their water-carriers, I think they will be sorely disappointed in the end.
That's one guy's opinion, of course, but I've never seen a set of rules that I myself couldn't run 15 circles around and through. And I've got 1/1,000th the talent of the people our ownership would have on the case.