sh*t style of football

[K.Reeves right foot]

can anyone tell me what style of football we are playing.
it's not counter attack, where you sit back absorb the opponents attack
and hit them on the break.
it's not attacking football either because we can't string 5 passes together in the
opponents half.
it's not possesion football, nothing knits together, defence, midfield, forward line.
every team we play against is in control of the game and we depend on a piece
of individual brilliance by one player to score.
this is very worrying.
we have an italian manager who you would think can make us defend.
he plays with 4 at the back and 2 or 3 defensive midfielders.
our forwards are totally left out on there own, with not midfield to connect with.
even if it's not his team of players he should still have a style or a method he could
instill into the team till he gets the players he wants.
I think roberto has no master plan, just like hughes, sven, keegan etc.
managers with no vision or style or method. end of rant...................

I 100% agree with the OP. I hate to say it - I dream of success - but I see no direction, planning, formula....a mish mash of players in a tactical void.....
Players playing for themselves and no team unity...
Contrast to say...Everton....a team of good prem players, no stars, no egos, but a TEAM who play for each other....and in my opinion will finish top 3 next season.
We are a group of individuals who need a leader on the pitch, a leader off the pitch otherwise it'll be a very inconsistent season.....
last bit of rant..............why the hell have we still not signed a decent centre half?......beyond belief...........................rant over.....................

 

[Brendan110_0]

Mancini out! - Don't think it'll be long until that thread starts! (hope we're not THAT foolish)

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Mancini out! - Don't think it'll be long until that thread starts! (hope we're not THAT foolish)

I don't like Mancini but, unless a complete disaster ensues, than we have ot give him a decent chance. We really can't cvarry on swapping managers ever 6 or 12 months before we have a settled team.

 

[ste.sully]

can anyone tell me what style of football we are playing.
it's not counter attack, where you sit back absorb the opponents attack
and hit them on the break.
it's not attacking football either because we can't string 5 passes together in the
opponents half.
it's not possesion football, nothing knits together, defence, midfield, forward line.
every team we play against is in control of the game and we depend on a piece
of individual brilliance by one player to score.
this is very worrying.
we have an italian manager who you would think can make us defend.
he plays with 4 at the back and 2 or 3 defensive midfielders.
our forwards are totally left out on there own, with not midfield to connect with.
even if it's not his team of players he should still have a style or a method he could
instill into the team till he gets the players he wants.
I think roberto has no master plan, just like hughes, sven, keegan etc.
managers with no vision or style or method. end of rant...................

I 100% agree with the OP. I hate to say it - I dream of success - but I see no direction, planning, formula....a mish mash of players in a tactical void.....
Players playing for themselves and no team unity...
Contrast to say...Everton....a team of good prem players, no stars, no egos, but a TEAM who play for each other....and in my opinion will finish top 3 next season.
We are a group of individuals who need a leader on the pitch, a leader off the pitch otherwise it'll be a very inconsistent season.....
last bit of rant..............why the hell have we still not signed a decent centre half?......beyond belief...........................rant over.....................

Its a fookin pre-season game ffs. This is a complete joke, why have we not signed a decent centre-half? We have done with Boateng. Silva, Toure, Kolarov are a big step to anything Hughes signed and we don't have Tevez (who is our most important player), plus De Jong.

Already we've got fans complaining. Mancini built a team at Inter, he needs to be allowed to build a team here. From what I've seen, yes we are playing possession football but at the moment it is too slow and slightly clueless, hence why Mancini is after Balotelli and why Tevez is our most important player.

Have patience people...

 

[Bigga]

Re: shit style of football

Does the Clown OP realise that a)

Mancini wasn't there to tweak and pull the line up as he saw fit? Kidd is the ASSISTANT who will put his own spin on Mancini's shape and style. This means it is not necessarily what Mancini would have done, last night.

and

b)

Vieira was sent off. This also meant that any ensuing intention of play was disrupted by a referee that didn't know the meaning of the word 'friendly' and 'intent'. So Ade had no second striker to work off and the team HAD to stand off, in order not to leave massive holes in the shape of the team.

my post has nothing to do with match last night or pre season. I'm talking about since mancini arrived last december. What style of play has he got us playing. We have not dominated any team except burmley away.

You should take into account that better players execute the same ask of a team, better.

 

[simon23]

i dont think too much can be read into pre season friendlies as the teams are always a mish mash of players and experimenting with formations and styles

however RM has now NO EXCUSES for playing the negative style of football he played at times last season. He has bought his own players, and got the box to box player in Yaya that we needed. We will now see if he is as good as everyone says he is.

He will need time to make them gell and therefore this season we may strgugle to attain the targets that the club/media are setting for us, but RM and the club have to now deal with this.

10-12 games into the season we will be able to see if he is capable of putting out a team which can attack as well as defend. Its all about balance....there is no reason that he should EVER have to play 3 defensive midfielders....in any game whether home or away. I expect a manager who is top class to be able to not only rotate his players successfully but ALSO HIS FORMATIONS. I understand what RM is trying to do at present....he is going with the diamond shape four in midfield...ala chelski...no problem with that at all as if doneright then its an attacking formation. However a world class manager will be able to change this if need be and there were times last year where RM didnt change things when he needed to (maybe due to lacking the personnel he needed to do so)...I expect him to be less rigid this year.

It will take time for this team to gel together and we must be patient BUT a rigidness in sticking to an overly defensive style of play will quickly (and rightly so) lose support from players and supporters.

 

[Nelly's Left Foot]

I agree it's far too soon to be panicking even if we look clueless as a team at the mo but the line in the post above was quite funny.

"yes we are playing possession football but at the moment it is too slow and slightly clueless"

So it's possession football we are playing is it?

 

[ono]

Re: shit style of football

What is this picture meant to be showing? It looks like a very well organised team to me

So you think standing off an attacking player by some 15 yards is good?

I'm sure someone must have mentioned to the players that they can tackle...

That was our problem all last night... we never got close to the player in possession.

The problem is, if our two central midfielders go to close down Cambiasso and Mariga, they better be sure they take the ball off them, otherwise it leaves a gap behind where Inter's attacking 4 can get our defence.

I've been on this forum for around 2 years now, and it's becoming obvious that some folk need to see blood and guts (not particularly aimed at you Soulboy)and non-stop running to be impressed.

It's clear from all our friendlies that we're still looking at different systems, whilst integrating a few youngsters with the set-up and integrating some new signings. There's also shop window players who have been playing. The results don't matter in pre-season. Neither do performances to be honest. You only have to look at Newcastle's drubbing against Leyton orient (6-1) and even Norwich's opening day 7-1 defeat to see how teams can take a little longer to hit their stride. Both Newcastle and Norwich won their respective leagues.

We'll get there in the end. I suspect we'll see something more positive against Valencia next week.

 

[shadygiz]

Re: shit style of football

So you think standing off an attacking player by some 15 yards is good?

I'm sure someone must have mentioned to the players that they can tackle...

That was our problem all last night... we never got close to the player in possession.

The problem is, if our two central midfielders go to close down Cambiasso and Mariga, they better be sure they take the ball off them, otherwise it leaves a gap behind where Inter's attacking 4 can get our defence.

I've been on this forum for around 2 years now, and it's becoming obvious that some folk need to see blood and guts (not particularly aimed at you Soulboy)and non-stop running to be impressed.

It's clear from all our friendlies that we're still looking at different systems, whilst integrating a few youngsters with the set-up and integrating some new signings. There's also shop window players who have been playing. The results don't matter in pre-season. Neither do performances to be honest. You only have to look at Newcastle's drubbing against Leyton orient (6-1) and even Norwich's opening day 7-1 defeat to see how teams can take a little longer to hit their stride. Both Newcastle and Norwich won their respective leagues.

We'll get there in the end. I suspect we'll see something more positive against Valencia next week.

dont hold your breathe mate ;)

 

[Soulboy]

Re: shit style of football

So you think standing off an attacking player by some 15 yards is good?

I'm sure someone must have mentioned to the players that they can tackle...

That was our problem all last night... we never got close to the player in possession.

The problem is, if our two central midfielders go to close down Cambiasso and Mariga, they better be sure they take the ball off them, otherwise it leaves a gap behind where Inter's attacking 4 can get our defence.

I've been on this forum for around 2 years now, and it's becoming obvious that some folk need to see blood and guts (not particularly aimed at you Soulboy)and non-stop running to be impressed.

It's clear from all our friendlies that we're still looking at different systems, whilst integrating a few youngsters with the set-up and integrating some new signings. There's also shop window players who have been playing. The results don't matter in pre-season. Neither do performances to be honest. You only have to look at Newcastle's drubbing against Leyton orient (6-1) and even Norwich's opening day 7-1 defeat to see how teams can take a little longer to hit their stride. Both Newcastle and Norwich won their respective leagues.

We'll get there in the end. I suspect we'll see something more positive against Valencia next week.

Trust me, but I am NOT a blood and guts enthusiast... I do not subscribe to the "Paul Dickov School of Football" that consists of chasing about like a headless chicken. But I do belive workrate, shape and balance can make a world of difference to a team.

I remember Mancini's first half dozen games when we closed teams down, hunted in packs, never allowed the opposition time on the ball... and I was a keen advocate of that style. The rags use, Chelsea use it, even Barca use it.

But we've seemingly stopped using it.

I take all the points about it being a friendly, and meaningless in the great scheme of things... but nevertheless we need to establish a style of play, we have to have the team playing in a formation whereby other players can drop in to it and the changes are seamless.

This pre-season has looked like a re-run of Hughes time at City when we had little or no shape. And that disappoints and worries me. We have two games left before we have to hit the ground running and we look no nearer to a style of play than we were 8 months ago.

I'm not a Mancini Outer (in fact I got into many heated arguments in defending the bloke!)... but that doesn't mean I can't see problems ahead if things are not rectified fairly quickly.

I actually posted a couple of weeks ago that we should stop worrying about incomings and outgoings and concentrate far more on the training ground by making better use of what we already have.

I still stand by that view... so let's hope Platt can either prove me totally right, or totally wrong!