Shakhtar Donetsk (H) CL Post-Match Thread

To the extent that we have no leaders on the field kaz you're right.
But Vinny didn't play in that many games so there's something else going on.
He didn't have to be playing,he was the capt regardless,looking after the players,esp the younger ones,the voice in the dressing room,the motivator,it's shortsighted to think that wasn't still hapening when he didn't play,we won the last 14 games because of him keeping the lads calm
 
I honestly think it’s more than this

Yeah it is but that’s a start.

Fernandinho isn’t a centre half and you can tell by positioning, Otamendi is absolutely appalling, it’s offending me how bad he is and Stones needs to regain form and quick.
 
He didn't have to be playing,he was the capt regardless,looking after the players,esp the younger ones,the voice in the dressing room,the motivator,it's shortsighted to think that wasn't still hapening when he didn't play,we won the last 14 games because of him keeping the lads calm
True.
 
Going to be an interesting January and summer window.

Utd, Tottenham, Chelsea & Liverpool will buy. some at least 3/4 big players. I really think we have shot ourself in the foot a bit. We should be needing 1/2 players max but I really think we need about 3/4 if not 5 players for the squad.

We can not rely on Aguero, gundy, Jesus, otamendi, stones, fern & if honest a few others. Silva will be gone. We suddenly seem like a very ageing team that requires too many new players which is dangerous with Liverpool next year who seem set up for the next 2/3 seasons sadly.

we have not pushed on and allowed others to catch up
 
Lets get some perspective here, flat performance it may have been but this was a game we knew we didn't have to win before kickoff. Some may argue that's two poor performances back to back, but we got the outcomes we wanted from both games.

We needed 3 points and deserved to get them in the end on chances created at the weekend, we probably only deserved a draw at best tonight(you're not telling me they played expansive football as BT tried to make out) but we have guaranteed top spot with that result tonight. Under Pep, CL performances anywhere near that flat are few and far between, some of our very best performances come in that competition in fact.

Pep did say the players were tired after Saturdays game and needed an extra days rest. I can't remember a team in the PL that has entertained, played with such high intensity and won so many games without any compromise for 2 seasons straight(it's usually win at all costs "the sign of champions tm"). I think Pep is having to put out fires in too many places at the moment, injuries, unable to play a consistent back 4, fatigue(possibly linked to the past two seasons), players out of form, the teams press deteriorating as a result of the former issues raised.

It stands to reason there's only so much Pep can do to stop injuries, other than try and make sure fatigue isn't a big factor. The answer for fatigue is to rest more train less, but that comes with it's side effects I would have thought. I think if they are fatigued, we should rest them as much as we can before the fixtures really start to pile up. The way some go on in the match threads, they think the players have infinite reserves, they'd burn them out by September.
 
Yeah it is but that’s a start.

Fernandinho isn’t a centre half and you can tell by positioning, Otamendi is absolutely appalling, it’s offending me how bad he is and Stones needs to regain form and quick.

Agree but I think pushing fern back in the middle now would change everything. All the issues come through our midfield. Gundy & silva can’t keep up, Kev is out of position for me & that leaves a lot of pressure on Rodri.
 

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