Shamima Begum

[blueinsa]

This country made her. This country owns her. And owes her.

Let her live the rest of her life in peace and quiet, the poor desperate young kid.

You will catch a few with that lol

 

[Gray]

Just a very weird thing to write. Makes reading the rest of the article pointless as we know it's just opinion and not fact based.

I agree, I posted it to show how much money she had received off the tax payers.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

She is doing it on Legal Aid so we are paying for it, see the Sunday Telegraph article below.

In the post-war period, Britain has been a lenient country, a country of second chances, policing by consent, a gentle approach to the destitute and, increasingly, an insanely generous blindness towards bad actors – so long as those bad actors are minorities (except for Jews).

We have let terrorists out of prison before serving their full sentence, some of whom have gone on to murder. We treat asylum-seeking young men chancing it by the thousands on small boats to perpetual stays in hotels that many legal residents could never afford, without subjecting them to any meaningful vetting.

And yet even we have lines that can’t be crossed. In leaving for Syria, aged 15 and in full possession of her faculties to join Islamic State (IS), a killing machine of global ambition every bit as bad as Hitler’s Nazis, Bethnal Green’s Shamima Begum forfeited her right to British citizenship and the rights that entails. In Syria, evidence suggests she cheered on her new nation’s sprees of mass executions, torture and rape. She swore allegiance to a terrorist enemy army with the explicit aim of destroying the West, including the UK, and replacing it with a nightmarish caliphate. Yet Begum had received nearly £250,000 in taxpayer-funded legal aid, which could have risen to millions with all her appeals.

Well, last week the Supreme Court refused to hear another appeal from Begum, who had her citizenship stripped in 2019, after she was deemed by the then-home secretary Sajid Javid to be a threat to national security.

In February, the Court of Appeal ruled the government was allowed to block Begum’s return to the UK to argue her citizenship case in person. “I won’t go into details of the case, but what I will say is that you certainly haven’t seen what I saw,” Javid had said. “If you did know what I knew, because you are sensible, responsible people, you would have made exactly the same decision – of that, I have no doubt.”

So it’s no dice for the IS bride in Britain. You have to hand it to her, though, for trying to spin herself as someone who, if allowed back in with her citizenship restored, could, as she said in 2021, “very much help you in your fight against terrorism because you clearly don’t know what you’re doing”.

Her apologies – like the creepily, smoothly vacuous self-presentation we saw in the BBC documentary, filmed in the Syrian refugee camp in which she has lived since IS fell – are singularly unconvincing “sorry-not-sorries”. “I am so sorry if I ever offended anyone by coming here, if I ever offended anyone by the things I said,” she wheedled.

The UK’s rejection hasn’t put her off though. Next stop: Strasbourg, and the European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR).

And, as an embodiment of all that is wrong with the modern Western conceptions of human rights – namely that the rights of terrorists, would-be terrorists and their sympathisers end up outweighing those of non-terrorists and other innocent folk to live without fear of murder – the ECtHR is just the place for her to go. It’s also a reminder of why Britain really ought to break away from the European Convention on Human Rights, full stop (though certainly won’t under Starmer).

There is a long history and rich body of work critiquing the idea of “human rights”. Perhaps most famously, philosopher Hannah Arendt wrote, observing the floods of stateless people that grew up between the end of the first and second world wars, that “human rights” is a meaningless term in a world in which only nation states are the guarantors of rights and the protection of people – the human herself does not, cannot, float above the nation state, rightly or wrongly.

Less theoretically, the European Convention on Human Rights, to which the UK is a signatory, is a known obstacle to the swift and just dealing with terrorists, and indeed who we allow in or out of our country. The ECtHR stopped our now-kiboshed Rwanda plan for asylum seekers with a single judge blocking the flight bound for Africa at the eleventh hour.

And as Ben Wallace noted, shortly after leaving his post as defence secretary in 2023, human rights laws are “lunacy” when it comes to protecting the nation from terrorists.

“When we have a threat to the UK, this lunacy of being unable to render people across borders or arrest people in countries whose police forces are unacceptable, means that we are more often than not forced into taking lethal action than actually raiding and detaining,” he said.

Wallace noted that the UK, bound by the ECtHR, could not have raided Osama bin Laden’s villa as the US did. “If there was an IS plot in some Central African country for example, under international law we have the right to take action with or without permission from the host nation, but we couldn’t capture the bad guys – we could only kill them.”

This is the system of justice that mainstream respectable opinion in Britain insists we don’t question, that to pull away from it would render us a pariah state of anarchy and violence. But in remaining bound by the European framework, we show our submission to its governing ideology of pernicious moral relativism. On the broadest level, too many are left to get away with conspiring against us, from within and without, while on the streets, law and order feels patchy, at best, often two-tier in appearance and is clearly overstretched, leading to brazen criminality. That’s where the road to anarchy lies, not in pulling free of a band of obstructive officials in Strasbourg.

If Shamima Begum gets herself back to Britain through the ECtHR, nobody sensible will be surprised, and the perverse – an increasingly large number – will celebrate.

Crypto-fascist wank.

 

[domalino]

The trouble is good people can't get it.

Oh so the problem is entirely invented, got it.

Unless you are aware of some pandemic of people being tried without being offered free legal representation that the rest of the country hasn't heard of?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Oh so the problem is entirely invented, got it.

Unless you are aware of some pandemic of people being tried without being offered free legal representation that the rest of the country hasn't heard of?

Legal aid isn't available to everyone so it isn't being offered to everyone.

Former MP Nigel Evans found this out after voting for to have the eligibility pushed back and almost went bankrupt with legal fees defending himself against wrongful allegations.

Some providers of legal aid will also churn clients and get them to plead guilty in order to get the most cost efficient claim (for the solicitor), rather than defend them according to instructions.

 

[N1985]

Heard there's a British Citizenship going spare that some selfish Morrissy faced fuck didn't want.

Bring her home.

 

[dronefromsector7G]

Crypto-fascist wank.

Never had one of them

 

[domalino]

Legal aid isn't available to everyone so it isn't being offered to everyone.

Legal aid is available to everyone who can show they can't afford their own lawyer.

Evans could have had legal aid, he decided to pay for his own expensive lawyers because he thought he'd be able to claim the money back if he won, presumably because he didn't pay attention to the bill he voted for.

Some providers of legal aid will also churn clients and get them to plead guilty in order to get the most cost efficient claim (for the solicitor), rather than defend them according to instructions.

A lawyer can't enter a plea for you. Only the defendant can do that (or someone legally appointed to make their decisions for them ie parent or carer). Yes, I'm sure there are some lawyers who pressure their clients into taking a guilty plea, but they can't actually do it against their wishes and if they did, they'd lose their career.

 

[Blue and true]

The trouble is good people can't get it.

You might want to rethink such an ignorant statement. Everyone in this country is entitled to free legal aid. It might not be "best-in-class" legal aid, but it's legal aid nonetheless.

 

[Bluemanc100]

You might want to rethink such an ignorant statement. Everyone in this country is entitled to free legal aid. It might not be "best-in-class" legal aid, but it's legal aid nonetheless.

She’s not in this country