Shamima Begum

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I’ll humour you. Do you think 14/15 year olds who commit murder should be shown leiniency because they showed “childish actions” due to their age?

It’s absolutely a long-established principle (for very good reason) that young people are punished less severely (and therefore more leniently) because of their age, even for the most horrific crimes.

 

[Bigga]

I’ll humour you. Do you think 14/15 year olds who commit murder should be shown leiniency because they showed “childish actions” due to their age?

I think they should do the appropriate punishment and then given the chance to redress their lives as mentality tends to change from youth to adulthood.

Not always, but they must be given that chance to be better Human Beings in the future.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I think they should do the appropriate punishment and then given the chance to redress their lives as mentality tends to change from youth to adulthood.

Not always, but they must be given that chance to be better Human Beings in the future.

If you take the antithesis of that viewpoint to its logical conclusion, older people, adults, who should know better, and have the benefit of life experience, should face no harsher punishment for their crimes than offenders who are legally children.

 

[Bigga]

If you take the antithesis of that viewpoint to its logical conclusion, older people, adults, who should know better, and have the benefit of life experience, should face no harsher punishment for their crimes than offenders who are legally children.

But, the "logical conclusion" you've reached becomes circular and means nobody should be punished to any major degree.

That would mean mass murderers/ serial killers get the same pass. Is this your hypothesis...?

There's a huge difference between kids growing up into their bodies with hormones and mixed emotions and adults who have "been there, done that".

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

But, the "logical conclusion" you've reached becomes circular and means nobody should be punished to any major degree.

That would mean mass murderers/ serial killers get the same pass. Is this your hypothesis...?

There's a huge difference between kids growing up into their bodies with hormones and mixed emotions and adults who have "been there, done that".

He is agreeing with you Bigga.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

But, the "logical conclusion" you've reached becomes circular and means nobody should be punished to any major degree.

That would mean mass murderers/ serial killers get the same pass. Is this your hypothesis...?

There's a huge difference between kids growing up into their bodies with hormones and mixed emotions and adults who have "been there, done that".

I’m not saying that at all. But a youth should definitely face less severe punishment than an adult for the same offence. On that basis, your first paragraph is misconceived.

Not quite sure what your last paragraph is about because that echoes what I was saying.

Think you might have misunderstood what I was saying because your response is confusing.

 

[Chris in London]

I’m not saying that at all. But a youth should definitely face less severe punishment than an adult for the same offence. On that basis, your first paragraph is misconceived.

Not quite sure what your last paragraph is about because that echoes what I was saying.

Think you might have misunderstood what I was saying because your response is confusing.

There are some strange views on here.

Some want an offence committed when the criminal was still a child punished in the same way as you would punish an adult.

Some want a criminal punished for a crime there is no evidence she ever committed.

Some don't want her punished at all.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

There are some strange views on here.

Some want an offence committed when the criminal was still a child punished in the same way as you would punish an adult.

Some want a criminal punished for a crime there is no evidence she ever committed.

Some don't want her punished at all.

Not sure there are many in that last category.

The ones who think she should come back want her to be made accountable in whatever way the law can.

 

[Chris in London]

Not sure there are many in that last category.

The ones who think she should come back want her to be made accountable in whatever way the law can.

Reading the thread it seems to me that more the half of the posts are in that category. They don't want her back, so if she doesn't come back she can't be punished.

Me, I think she's British, she grew up here, she knew the score, she broke the law by joining a terrorist organisation. She needs to pay for that. By all means let a Judge take her age and general stupidity into account, but she needs to spend time in a British jail.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Reading the thread it seems to me that more the half of the posts are in that category. They don't want her back, so if she doesn't come back she can't be punished.

Me, I think she's British, she grew up here, she knew the score, she broke the law by joining a terrorist organisation. She needs to pay for that. By all means let a Judge take her age and general stupidity into account, but she needs to spend time in a British jail.

Think we’re on the same page.

I didn’t think of not punishing her as leaving her in Syria.