Shamima Begum

This, for me, was the most important aspect. To mandate that a substantial swathe of British citizens can only maintain citizenship if they meet a Govt’s criteria of what constitutes ‘good behaviour’ is simply wrong.

This is a far bigger concern than Begum herself.

It must be absolutely huge swathes of the population. 7m people are eligible for an Irish passport so they could have their British nationality taken away. A quick google shows there's ~10m people here who weren't born in the UK.

By the time you've added in second generation immigrants who'd likely qualify for nationality of their parents home country, it's probably over half the population who can have their citizenship snatched away.
 
Ben!
Go to bed m8
She affiliated herself to a killing organisation that doesnt give a toss about breaking internaional law
Huh?

She‘s committed crimes. She deserves to be prosecuted for them.

Are you happy that our country breaks international protocol by making someone stateless, rather than making her accountable for her crimes?
 
Purely for political reasons I believe she shouldn't come back. That's my current thoughts.

Though I've also believed we should own the problem and take her back and put her on trial.

It's a confusing one, and anyone who tells you "what is right" is fool.
 
Purely for political reasons I believe she shouldn't come back. That's my current thoughts.

Though I've also believed we should own the problem and take her back and put her on trial.

It's a confusing one, and anyone who tells you "what is right" is fool.

We should have her back and put her on trial, the only caveat would be that those civil rights lawyers wont try to spring her immediately or stop her being deported if legally it has been proven we can take her citizenship away from her.

The only evidence we have about her committing these horrible crimes is from her own mouth isn't it?
 
We should have her back and put her on trial, the only caveat would be that those civil rights lawyers wont try to spring her immediately or stop her being deported if legally it has been proven we can take her citizenship away from her.

The only evidence we have about her committing these horrible crimes is from her own mouth isn't it?

so a show trial with the stated aim of denying someone their civil rights I am sure thats Patels wet dream for all of us but it hardly makes the procedure a valid act in law.
 
so a show trial with the stated aim of denying someone their civil rights I am sure thats Patels wet dream for all of us but it hardly makes the procedure a valid act in law.

Nope that's not what I wrote, what I wrote is that if we can deport her we should be able to deport her. We should pay the Syrians money to put her on trial IMO, she'd get better justice out there.
 
Nope that's not what I wrote, what I wrote is that if we can deport her we should be able to deport her. We should pay the Syrians money to put her on trial IMO, she'd get better justice out there.

If the law that applies to you, me and everybody allows ANY lawyer to act on our behalf and prevent deportation because that act would be against the law then anyone on trail has access to that level of legal representation - Begum should be no different to anyone if you want to see UK justice done. To pick and choose what can be a possible outcome before things even start would be a show trail
 
If the law that applies to you, me and everybody allows ANY lawyer to act on our behalf and prevent deportation because that act would be against the law then anyone on trail has access to that level of legal representation - Begum should be no different to anyone if you want to see UK justice done. To pick and choose what can be a possible outcome before things even start would be a show trail

She committed the crimes she's accused of in Syria or the ISIS controlled parts of the world, she should go on trial there. What's she worried about if she's innocent?
 
We should take her back then deport her to where?

She can't go to Bangladesh because they would execute her. And if there is enough evidence for English courts then there will be for Syrian courts. So why bring her back at all?
 
Bring her back and hopefully she is found guilty of supporting ISIS and terrorism offences and she can spend the rest of her miserable life behind bars.

That or let her rot where she is.
 
The latest poll I could find says only 16% are in favour of her returning to the U.K.
Just shows how many on here have lost touch with the real world.
 
As hard as it might be for some of you to accept, she left this country as a child , brainwashed in to ISIS ideology.
This is a very good point.

I'm not saying she is innocent as there is no excuse for what she has done, but whoever is responsible for her being brainwashed is equally culpable.
 
This is a very good point.

I'm not saying she is innocent as there is no excuse for what she has done, but whoever is responsible for her being brainwashed is equally culpable.
If it's somebody from afar then there's no chance of them being put on trial.

I too don't doubt that there was at least some brainwashing going on, but at the same time she was 15 so not completely wet behind the ears and should have had an understanding between right and wrong. Also, if you cast your mind back to that time, you'd have to have been on another planet not to be aware of at least some of the despicable shit that ISIS was pulling.

I get that 15 year olds can be impressionable but at the same time 15 is still way above the minimum age that you can be tried for a crime in the UK.
 
Which poll is that m8? I see this as a 50/50 give or take. Which is why it's divisive. Which poll said it is so skewed?
I just Googled it and the latest date was Nov2020 .
The earlier polls were a lot lower in favour of her return.
If you can quote a later one where it says 50% would be glad to see her return to the U.K. I will obviously stand corrected
 

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