Shay Given to Arsenal (merged)

[mccity]

Re: we've agreed to let Shay Given join Arsenal

I could be miles out here, but I don't think Hart is definitely the established first choice keeper yet. He just got the nod for the game against Spurs. Like Hart said, it may be different against Liverpool, Given could play for all we know. It could be due to impressing in training or whatever happens in the Timisoara game, maybe even rotation to test Given out.

I doubt Given would leave this soon after being put on the bench for one game. If he hasn't played by the time we've got past the Sunderland game, then we may let him go.

 

[IrishMacca]

Re: we've agreed to let Shay Given join Arsenal

So if we're going to treat our players, a player who was last season, probably the first player down on the team sheet, like this, and us fans, most of them anyway, are going to act like this, than why don't we just change our name to Chelsea fc or Real Madrid.

so we treat hart the same way instead?

To earn the jersey another player has to loose it, and there needs to be a reason for him to loose it.
Not age, not nationality, not because of a change of managers. An actual reason, ability based. Which there is not. Hart is not better than Given, he is not more experienced, he is not more consistant or reliable. He is not proven, and has not done enough to take the jersey off a player who has only been outstanding for us.
The best players should play, unfortunately this is not the case.

 

[leewill31]

Re: we've agreed to let Shay Given join Arsenal

I could be miles out here, but I don't think Hart is definitely the established first choice keeper yet. He just got the nod for the game against Spurs. Like Hart said, it may be different against Liverpool, Given could play for all we know. It could be due to impressing in training or whatever happens in the Timisoara game, maybe even rotation to test Given out.

I doubt Given would leave this soon after being put on the bench for one game. If he hasn't played by the time we've got past the Sunderland game, then we may let him go.

it would be madness to drop hart after the spurs game and i would wonder what the hell is going on in Mancini's head if he did this!

 

[Interstate 5]

Re: we've agreed to let Shay Given join Arsenal

"we've agreed to let Shay Given join Arsenal"

No we haven't.

 

[stony]

Re: we've agreed to let Shay Given join Arsenal

so we treat hart the same way instead?

To earn the jersey another player has to loose it, and there needs to be a reason for him to loose it.
Not age, not nationality, not because of a change of managers. An actual reason, ability based. Which there is not. Hart is not better than Given, he is not more experienced, he is not more consistant or reliable. He is not proven, and has not done enough to take the jersey off a player who has only been outstanding for us.
The best players should play, unfortunately this is not the case.

Remind me which keeper was in the Premiership team of the year last season?

 

[speccybob]

Re: we've agreed to let Shay Given join Arsenal

so we treat hart the same way instead?

To earn the jersey another player has to loose it, and there needs to be a reason for him to loose it.
Not age, not nationality, not because of a change of managers. An actual reason, ability based. Which there is not. Hart is not better than Given, he is not more experienced, he is not more consistant or reliable. He is not proven, and has not done enough to take the jersey off a player who has only been outstanding for us.
The best players should play, unfortunately this is not the case.

If he hasn't done enough to earn the spot in the team then how come Hart was named in the PFA team of last season? Take off the blinkers pal

 

[IrishMacca]

Re: we've agreed to let Shay Given join Arsenal

I could be miles out here, but I don't think Hart is definitely the established first choice keeper yet. He just got the nod for the game against Spurs. Like Hart said, it may be different against Liverpool, Given could play for all we know. It could be due to impressing in training or whatever happens in the Timisoara game, maybe even rotation to test Given out.

I doubt Given would leave this soon after being put on the bench for one game. If he hasn't played by the time we've got past the Sunderland game, then we may let him go.

Haha..Good one. Now that the media are in a frenzy there's no looking back now. Had VDS, Given, Cech, any of the top keepers put in a display like that, it'd be lucky to be mentioned, instead of dominating the back of the papers. The English media has spoken, and if it hadn't all ready like some of ye believe, it certainly has now.

-- Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:17 am --

To earn the jersey another player has to loose it, and there needs to be a reason for him to loose it.
Not age, not nationality, not because of a change of managers. An actual reason, ability based. Which there is not. Hart is not better than Given, he is not more experienced, he is not more consistant or reliable. He is not proven, and has not done enough to take the jersey off a player who has only been outstanding for us.
The best players should play, unfortunately this is not the case.

If he hasn't done enough to earn the spot in the team then how come Hart was named in the PFA team of last season? Take off the blinkers pal

At a different club, he has not done enough against Given, and Given certainly hasn't done anything to justify him being benched.

 

[zeven]

Re: we've agreed to let Shay Given join Arsenal

I could be miles out here, but I don't think Hart is definitely the established first choice keeper yet. He just got the nod for the game against Spurs. Like Hart said, it may be different against Liverpool, Given could play for all we know. It could be due to impressing in training or whatever happens in the Timisoara game, maybe even rotation to test Given out.

I doubt Given would leave this soon after being put on the bench for one game. If he hasn't played by the time we've got past the Sunderland game, then we may let him go.

Mancini said after the game, Hart will remain as number one.

 

[Interstate 5]

Re: we've agreed to let Shay Given join Arsenal

How many people on here still haven't seen even the highlights from Saturday, or read the reports and seen who was Man Of the Match?

Did Mancini make a mess of that as well?

 

[Kinky by name]

Re: we've agreed to let Shay Given join Arsenal

I could be miles out here, but I don't think Hart is definitely the established first choice keeper yet. He just got the nod for the game against Spurs. Like Hart said, it may be different against Liverpool, Given could play for all we know. It could be due to impressing in training or whatever happens in the Timisoara game, maybe even rotation to test Given out.

I doubt Given would leave this soon after being put on the bench for one game. If he hasn't played by the time we've got past the Sunderland game, then we may let him go.

it would be madness to drop hart after the spurs game and i would wonder what the hell is going on in Mancini's head if he did this!

I agree mate it was a stunning performance but I can't help feeling that nothing makes IrishMacca's point better than this... why drop Given in the first place?