Shearer on Balotelli

[redmizzle]

I've submitted a formal complaint to the BBC about Lawrenson and Shearer's comments. Everyone else should do as well. It's fucking outrageous that a thick twat like Lawrenson should crticise someone else in that way in public.

Done.

 

[Vienna_70]

I know this might sound unpatriotic, but to be honest I found myself not giving a shit that we lost. I actually wanted Balo to score. There's only one football team I really care about and it's not England.

And apart from anything else, England are so shite and have been and will be for so long, it's a bit irrelevant anyway. I watched the game thinking, Christ City would absolutely murder England if we played them. Even with Panty in City's goal.

Me too. I could never truly support a team that has Rooney playing for it. He may be English but it's because of twats like him that this country is going down the pan. He is an arse-hole.

I admit I laughed when Tom Daly hit the bar with his penalty.

I was ticked off for it and told it was my fault England lost becuase I laughed at the diver.

A fuck I did not give.

 

[stonerblue]

imo, it wasnt balotelli being banned that changed our season, it was in fact being 8 points behind and having nothing to lose that changed (hopefully for ever) bob`s defensive approach to a more attacking, hand brake off style.

Controversial third opinion here but maybe it was:

Swansea - No Kompany, no Lescott, Aguero off on 37 mins
Stoke - No Kompany, no Lescott, no Aguero
Sunderland - No Lescott, no Aguero (though when you concede three goals at home and Balotelli scores two, it's hard to blame Balotelli for those points dropped)
Arsenal - No Silva, no Yaya (after seventeen minutes).

After Arsenal, none of these issues were a problem apart from no Yaya against West Brom (we'd expect to win that one surely, even in a bad run of form), and a late sub for Yaya against Norwich (we scored four of the six, with the score at 2-1, AFTER Yaya came on), and when he was subbed against QPR (and we know what happened there).

Am I painting a picture? We get all our best players back at once and suddenly we're back on form. It's not down to Balotelli's failings. The simple reality, and I've said it all season, is that our squad may be strong and we can take damage in quite a few areas and be ok but we still have key players and without them we're half the side.

Oh, and those who don't think there's something in my logic, you think Balotelli is so bad (despite being having the 3rd best goals per minute ratio in the league), that his absence is worth more than the presence of players like Kompany, Lescott, Aguero, Silva and Yaya? Honestly. He looked alright playing alongside them when he saved us against QPR, and also when we went on the fourteen game unbeaten streak when Tevez wasn't playing...

Skash,

Its great you have such faith in City players, it really is. But like many of Balotellis fans you are distorting the facts. Citys best runs were at the start of the season and the end when Balo was not a regular. Please tell me about this unbeaten 14 game run as for many of those games Balo didnt play. So if anything it refutes your argument.

When City lose and Balotelli plays you always quote Kompany, Yaya etc were missing. Yet your happy to take credit for Balo, to suit your opinion, when his influence is limited or he was a sub.

For me the results are inconclusive either way regarding results when Balo plays as too many variables are involved. The annoying thing is Balo fans choose to use these stats selectively to suit their argument.

The 8(?) games without Vinny were our bad patch

 

[Skashion]

Skash,

Its great you have such faith in City players, it really is. But like many of Balotellis fans you are distorting the facts. Citys best runs were at the start of the season and the end when Balo was not a regular. Please tell me about this unbeaten 14 game run as for many of those games Balo didnt play. So if anything it refutes your argument.

When City lose and Balotelli plays you always quote Kompany, Yaya etc were missing. Yet your happy to take credit for Balo, to suit your opinion, when his influence is limited or he was a sub.

For me the results are inconclusive either way regarding results when Balo plays as too many variables are involved.

The annoying thing is Balo fans choose to use these stats selectively to suit their argument.

He played in ten of those fourteen, admittedly quite a few as a sub. However, you talk about the sub appearances pretty disdainfully and say 'limited influence', but some of his sub appearances were his best this season, Everton (scored the breakthrough goal) - during the fourteen game run, Spurs (won the penalty and put away), QPR (assist for the league-winning goal).

You can claim that me being a fan of Balotelli - and I do admit I'm a fan, distorts my views, but I'm on record as saying there are at least six players who I consider more influential in our side (Hart, Kompany, Yaya, Silva, Aguero and Lescott), so sad times for you. I think your view of me is distorted personally.

The results show us that when we have a full team we are amongst the best in the world (with or without Balo) and that when we take injuries in key positions we are far more ordinary (with or without Balo).

I am much more a City fan than I ever will be a Balotelli fan. I look out for City first, so no, I don't intend to distort the record. I am very sorry you feel that's what I'm doing. Personally, I think I'm one of the most balanced posters on the forum when it comes to this. I don't let my ego get in the way of anything. Some posters let their egos get in the way of everything. I am almost the total opposite. Several years ago I used to call Lescott, 'liability' and said Kolo should be in ahead of him, but I accept I've been proved wrong and now consider him to be more important than Balotelli despite always being a fan of Balotelli. It takes almost total egoless honesty to make a transition like that, especially when one retains one of the original positions i.e. remaining a fan of Balotelli.

 

[franksinatra]

Skash,

Its great you have such faith in City players, it really is. But like many of Balotellis fans you are distorting the facts. Citys best runs were at the start of the season and the end when Balo was not a regular. Please tell me about this unbeaten 14 game run as for many of those games Balo didnt play. So if anything it refutes your argument.

When City lose and Balotelli plays you always quote Kompany, Yaya etc were missing. Yet your happy to take credit for Balo, to suit your opinion, when his influence is limited or he was a sub.

For me the results are inconclusive either way regarding results when Balo plays as too many variables are involved.

The annoying thing is Balo fans choose to use these stats selectively to suit their argument.

He played in ten of those fourteen, admittedly quite a few as a sub. However, you talk about the sub appearances pretty disdainfully and say 'limited influence', but some of his sub appearances were his best this season, Everton (scored the breakthrough goal) - during the fourteen game run, Spurs (won the penalty and put away), QPR (assist for the league-winning goal).

You can claim that me being a fan of Balotelli - and I do admit I'm a fan, distorts my views, but I'm on record as saying there are at least six players who I consider more influential in our side (Hart, Kompany, Yaya, Silva, Aguero and Lescott), so sad times for you. I think your view of me is distorted personally.

The results show us that when we have a full team we are amongst the best in the world (with or without Balo) and that when we take injuries in key positions we are far more ordinary (with or without Balo).

I am much more a City fan than I ever will be a Balotelli fan. I look out for City first, so no, I don't intend to distort the record. I am very sorry you feel that's what I'm doing. Personally, I think I'm one of the most balanced posters on the forum when it comes to this. I don't let my ego get in the way of anything. Some posters let their egos get in the way of everything. I am almost the total opposite. Several years ago I used to call Lescott, 'liability' and said Kolo should be in ahead of him, but I accept I've been proved wrong and now consider him to be more important than Balotelli despite always being a fan of Balotelli. It takes almost total egoless honesty to make a transition like that, especially when one retains one of the original positions i.e. remaining a fan of Balotelli.

Like I said Skashion it wasn’t intended to be a criticism. Please read my comments on any KInkladze threads I would unapologetically support him against any accusation. Maybe I misread your comments but I still think you are overplaying his role in that fantastic run and that’s not me suggesting we wouldn’t have done as well without him either.
Swansea 3-0 (unused sub) Bolton 3-2 (Unused sub) Spurs 5-1 (Unused sub), Wigan 3-0 (sub 72 mins, score at times 3-0), Fulham 2-2 (Unused sub) Everton 2-0 (Balo scored as sub), Blackburn 4-0 (Balo scored) Villa 4-1 (Balo scored) United 6-1 (Balo scored) Wolves 3-1 (Balo sub score at time 2-0), QPR 3-2 (Balo sub 75 mins, score at time 3-2), Newcastle (3-1 balo scored), Liverpool 1-1 (Balo sub and sent off), Norwich 5-1 (Balo sub, score 3-0 at time).

Within the run of 14 games unbeaten , 9 games were already decided in our favour either without Balotellis participation or by the time he was introduced as a sub, with one game finishing a draw after Balotelli was sent off after being introduced as sub . Hence in that run he influenced (heavily, I would say) four of those games. Personally I just don’t think that that equate to your comments that this proves his huge value to the side and proves the snipers wrong. If anything it suggests, like the end of the season, our best runs have come when he has not been a starter.

But as I have stated previously, many other factors influence a game of football so I wouldn’t level that as a criticism of Balotelli. Just think the Balo fans are happy to use stats when it suits their argument but ignore them when they don’t.

Anyway where is Mancio to tell us that Chelsea have offered 70 million for Balo.

 

[Robbiejd]

Shearer is a tosser

 

[Skashion]

Like I said Skashion it wasn’t intended to be a criticism. Please read my comments on any KInkladze threads I would unapologetically support him against any accusation. Maybe I misread your comments but I still think you are overplaying his role in that fantastic run and that’s not me suggesting we wouldn’t have done as well without him either.
Swansea 3-0 (unused sub) Bolton 3-2 (Unused sub) Spurs 5-1 (Unused sub), Wigan 3-0 (sub 72 mins, score at times 3-0), Fulham 2-2 (Unused sub) Everton 2-0 (Balo scored as sub), Blackburn 4-0 (Balo scored) Villa 4-1 (Balo scored) United 6-1 (Balo scored) Wolves 3-1 (Balo sub score at time 2-0), QPR 3-2 (Balo sub 75 mins, score at time 3-2), Newcastle (3-1 balo scored), Liverpool 1-1 (Balo sub and sent off), Norwich 5-1 (Balo sub, score 3-0 at time).

Within the run of 14 games unbeaten , 9 games were already decided in our favour either without Balotellis participation or by the time he was introduced as a sub, with one game finishing a draw after Balotelli was sent off after being introduced as sub . Hence in that run he influenced (heavily, I would say) four of those games. Personally I just don’t think that that equate to your comments that this proves his huge value to the side and proves the snipers wrong. If anything it suggests, like the end of the season, our best runs have come when he has not been a starter.

But as I have stated previously, many other factors influence a game of football so I wouldn’t level that as a criticism of Balotelli. Just think the Balo fans are happy to use stats when it suits their argument but ignore them when they don’t.

Anyway where is Mancio to tell us that Chelsea have offered 70 million for Balo.

Scoring seven times in ten is pretty good by my reckoning. Also heavily influencing a 1/3 of games in an 11-man team game is also pretty good. However, this thread isn't about his positive influence it's about how bad his negative influence is. People were saying his absence was the making of us, which I think is total bollocks. Him not playing after Arsenal apparently made us better. I'm saying the return of more influential players was the reason. I don't quite know how else to say I think Mario is about our seventh-most influential player. You seem to be saying this amounts to building him into some kind of Goliath, I think it's a fair assessment. You're also overstating what I said I did in that fourteen game run, I said he did 'alright', you're making out like I said he was the key player in that run. I have not made that claim in this thread or any other. I have made the claim that we can play well with or without him as long as the four to six influential players (who I class as being ahead of him in terms of influence) are also playing. You're on the verge of straw manning and when I feel someone is being a dick, and I think you are doing now, I am one stubborn fucker and will not let it die. So for your sanity and mine, just get a bit of perspective on what I'm actually saying.

Don't even try to claim you weren't including me in that grouping.

 

[Mancio]

Skash,

Its great you have such faith in City players, it really is. But like many of Balotellis fans you are distorting the facts. Citys best runs were at the start of the season and the end when Balo was not a regular. Please tell me about this unbeaten 14 game run as for many of those games Balo didnt play. So if anything it refutes your argument.

When City lose and Balotelli plays you always quote Kompany, Yaya etc were missing. Yet your happy to take credit for Balo, to suit your opinion, when his influence is limited or he was a sub.

For me the results are inconclusive either way regarding results when Balo plays as too many variables are involved.

The annoying thing is Balo fans choose to use these stats selectively to suit their argument.

He played in ten of those fourteen, admittedly quite a few as a sub. However, you talk about the sub appearances pretty disdainfully and say 'limited influence', but some of his sub appearances were his best this season, Everton (scored the breakthrough goal) - during the fourteen game run, Spurs (won the penalty and put away), QPR (assist for the league-winning goal).

You can claim that me being a fan of Balotelli - and I do admit I'm a fan, distorts my views, but I'm on record as saying there are at least six players who I consider more influential in our side (Hart, Kompany, Yaya, Silva, Aguero and Lescott), so sad times for you. I think your view of me is distorted personally.

The results show us that when we have a full team we are amongst the best in the world (with or without Balo) and that when we take injuries in key positions we are far more ordinary (with or without Balo).

I am much more a City fan than I ever will be a Balotelli fan. I look out for City first, so no, I don't intend to distort the record. I am very sorry you feel that's what I'm doing. Personally, I think I'm one of the most balanced posters on the forum when it comes to this. I don't let my ego get in the way of anything. Some posters let their egos get in the way of everything. I am almost the total opposite. Several years ago I used to call Lescott, 'liability' and said Kolo should be in ahead of him, but I accept I've been proved wrong and now consider him to be more important than Balotelli despite always being a fan of Balotelli. It takes almost total egoless honesty to make a transition like that, especially when one retains one of the original positions i.e. remaining a fan of Balotelli.

Like I said Skashion it wasn’t intended to be a criticism. Please read my comments on any KInkladze threads I would unapologetically support him against any accusation. Maybe I misread your comments but I still think you are overplaying his role in that fantastic run and that’s not me suggesting we wouldn’t have done as well without him either.
Swansea 3-0 (unused sub) Bolton 3-2 (Unused sub) Spurs 5-1 (Unused sub), Wigan 3-0 (sub 72 mins, score at times 3-0), Fulham 2-2 (Unused sub) Everton 2-0 (Balo scored as sub), Blackburn 4-0 (Balo scored) Villa 4-1 (Balo scored) United 6-1 (Balo scored) Wolves 3-1 (Balo sub score at time 2-0), QPR 3-2 (Balo sub 75 mins, score at time 3-2), Newcastle (3-1 balo scored), Liverpool 1-1 (Balo sub and sent off), Norwich 5-1 (Balo sub, score 3-0 at time).

Within the run of 14 games unbeaten , 9 games were already decided in our favour either without Balotellis participation or by the time he was introduced as a sub, with one game finishing a draw after Balotelli was sent off after being introduced as sub . Hence in that run he influenced (heavily, I would say) four of those games. Personally I just don’t think that that equate to your comments that this proves his huge value to the side and proves the snipers wrong. If anything it suggests, like the end of the season, our best runs have come when he has not been a starter.

But as I have stated previously, many other factors influence a game of football so I wouldn’t level that as a criticism of Balotelli. Just think the Balo fans are happy to use stats when it suits their argument but ignore them when they don’t.

Anyway where is Mancio to tell us that Chelsea have offered 70 million for Balo.

should i waste my time with you ? do you honestly think it ??

i'm more than sure you know you are just trolling and that its what i hope , for you. the alternative would be that you are a complete dull idiot , and i don't think this being your case. or one out of the many rags in disguise that infest this board , in a better case.

so quetly go on your way trolling up , becouse i'm sure deep into your mind you know as much as us that balotelli is the best world player in his age.

 

[tomhawley]

That final comment made me laugh at first Mancio...

Then I asked myself - who are the players better than him - currently 21 years old or younger?

Not sure there are many - if any - although I'm sure everyone sees it differently

 

[franksinatra]

Like I said Skashion it wasn’t intended to be a criticism. Please read my comments on any KInkladze threads I would unapologetically support him against any accusation. Maybe I misread your comments but I still think you are overplaying his role in that fantastic run and that’s not me suggesting we wouldn’t have done as well without him either.
Swansea 3-0 (unused sub) Bolton 3-2 (Unused sub) Spurs 5-1 (Unused sub), Wigan 3-0 (sub 72 mins, score at times 3-0), Fulham 2-2 (Unused sub) Everton 2-0 (Balo scored as sub), Blackburn 4-0 (Balo scored) Villa 4-1 (Balo scored) United 6-1 (Balo scored) Wolves 3-1 (Balo sub score at time 2-0), QPR 3-2 (Balo sub 75 mins, score at time 3-2), Newcastle (3-1 balo scored), Liverpool 1-1 (Balo sub and sent off), Norwich 5-1 (Balo sub, score 3-0 at time).

Within the run of 14 games unbeaten , 9 games were already decided in our favour either without Balotellis participation or by the time he was introduced as a sub, with one game finishing a draw after Balotelli was sent off after being introduced as sub . Hence in that run he influenced (heavily, I would say) four of those games. Personally I just don’t think that that equate to your comments that this proves his huge value to the side and proves the snipers wrong. If anything it suggests, like the end of the season, our best runs have come when he has not been a starter.

But as I have stated previously, many other factors influence a game of football so I wouldn’t level that as a criticism of Balotelli. Just think the Balo fans are happy to use stats when it suits their argument but ignore them when they don’t.

Anyway where is Mancio to tell us that Chelsea have offered 70 million for Balo.

Scoring seven times in ten is pretty good by my reckoning. Also heavily influencing a 1/3 of games in an 11-man team game is also pretty good. However, this thread isn't about his positive influence it's about how bad his negative influence is. People were saying his absence was the making of us, which I think is total bollocks. Him not playing after Arsenal apparently made us better. I'm saying the return of more influential players was the reason. I don't quite know how else to say I think Mario is about our seventh-most influential player. You seem to be saying this amounts to building him into some kind of Goliath, I think it's a fair assessment. You're also overstating what I said I did in that fourteen game run, I said he did 'alright', you're making out like I said he was the key player in that run. I have not made that claim in this thread or any other. I have made the claim that we can play well with or without him as long as the four to six influential players (who I class as being ahead of him in terms of influence) are also playing. You're on the verge of straw manning and when I feel someone is being a dick, and I think you are doing now, I am one stubborn fucker and will not let it die. So for your sanity and mine, just get a bit of perspective on what I'm actually saying.

Don't even try to claim you weren't including me in that grouping.

No problems, it just a football forum to me, no intention of trading insults or responding to the dick jibe so I will let it go for your sanity.