Ship of fools

tueartsboots said:
Religion has always been a method for the "authourities" to control the unwashed masses, now not so many people listen- I am not saying they do not beleive in an afterlife etc, the authorites use Terrorism and the fear of terrorism to control us.
Surely the sole beleif is whether or not we, humans, have a physical or meta-physical Soul that continues after death?
We are the only animal that "needs" a reason to exist, all this shit for years then nothing?
That doesn't make sense for most people.

this, it's amazing how many people turn to religion when the end is nigh. Organised Religion causes more suffering than anything in the world, apart from money. However, there is a spiritual element to human life which I think many of us can pick up on at various times of our life - ancient peoples almost always venerated their ancestors and believed they had links to them, perhaps we've lost that in this day and age.
 
ElanJo said:
f a man did devise the universe it still wouldn't be finished ey? ;)

What's this pattern btw?


The cycle of the seasons and nature. Life and death if you will.

That is just a start.

I understand that what ever is "out there" can also be malicious within that context but it is there.

I find it hard that some cannot see that?
 
It seems that I have been cast as yet another failed ITK. Ridicule & abuse are heaped upon me in equal measure as my sources are first questioned, then vilified. Most interesting.
ElanJo even tries his hand at psychological profiling, and surprise surprise, it turns out I am just the sort of person he always thought I was. At least the self-styled “biggest atheist in the village” takes some trouble to read and follow up what I have posted. Occasionally he also makes some useful counterpoints.
Indeed if I have caused personal offence to anyone please accept my unreserved apologies. There are however two or three posters on this thread whose intemperate invective does incline me to believe that I have erred in expressing myself . (To be fair others have joined in the insultfest with equal enthusiasm if not length.) I readily admit that the original post was provocative and some of my subsequent contributions were short on substance.
It wouldn’t be proper to leave you without a direct quote from some dubious fellow so:

Ship of Fools

what ship plays with icebergs
and plays soft music as it sinks into the ocean?
what ship on the throw of a dice
feeds a prophet to his fishy destination?
what ship breaks its spine on the rocks
and turns the waves black with lubrication?

a ship of fools
but there are fools and
those who seem to be

what ship is built on a dry highland
is launched by a downpour
and flies on watery wings to the peak of a mountain?
what ship has a crew
of taxmen thieves and fishermen
who decide in the howling storm
to make a small sleeping carpenter
their captain?

yes
a ship of fools
but there are fools and
those who only appear to be
 
We're setting sail
To the place on the map from which no one has ever returned
Torn by the promise of the joker and the fool
By the light of the crosses that bur-urn
Torn by the promise of the women and the lace
And the gold and the cotton and pearls
It's the place where they keep all the darkness you meet
You sail away from the light of the world

Listen baby - you will pay tomorrow
You're gonna pay tomorrow-ow-ow
You will pay tomorrow-ow-ow-ow-wow-ow-ow-ow-ow-ow

Save me, save me from tomor-orrow
I don't want to sail with this ship of foo-ools, no no
Oh-oh-oh, save me, save me from tomor-orrow
I don't want to sail with this ship of foo-ools, no no
I want to run and hide
Right now - ri-ight now-ow yeah-eah-eah

Avarice and greed are gonna drive you over the endless sea
They will leave you-ou drifting in the shallows
Drowning in the oceans of history-y-y-y
Travellin' the world, you're in search of no good
But I'm sure you're philosophic like I knew you would
Using all the good people for your gallant slaves
As your little boat struggles through the the warning waves

But you will pay, you will pay tomorrow
You're gonna pay tomorrow-ow-ow
You gonna pay tomorrow-ow-ow-ow-wow-ow-ow-ow-ow-ow

Save me-ee, save me from tomor-orrow
I don't want to sail with this ship of foo-ools, no no no no
Oh-oh-oh, save me-ee, save me from tomor-orrow
I don't want to sail with this ship of foo-ools, no no no no

Where's it comin' fro-om or where's it goin' to?
It's just a - it's just a ship of foo-oo-oo-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ools

Yeah, oh Lord

World Party- Ship of Fools.
 
johnny crossan said:
It seems that I have been cast as yet another failed ITK. Ridicule & abuse are heaped upon me in equal measure as my sources are first questioned, then vilified. Most interesting.
ElanJo even tries his hand at psychological profiling, and surprise surprise, it turns out I am just the sort of person he always thought I was. At least the self-styled “biggest atheist in the village” takes some trouble to read and follow up what I have posted. Occasionally he also makes some useful counterpoints.
Indeed if I have caused personal offence to anyone please accept my unreserved apologies. There are however two or three posters on this thread whose intemperate invective does incline me to believe that I have erred in expressing myself . (To be fair others have joined in the insultfest with equal enthusiasm if not length.) I readily admit that the original post was provocative and some of my subsequent contributions were short on substance.
It wouldn’t be proper to leave you without a direct quote from some dubious fellow so:

Ship of Fools

what ship plays with icebergs
and plays soft music as it sinks into the ocean?
what ship on the throw of a dice
feeds a prophet to his fishy destination?
what ship breaks its spine on the rocks
and turns the waves black with lubrication?

a ship of fools
but there are fools and
those who seem to be

what ship is built on a dry highland
is launched by a downpour
and flies on watery wings to the peak of a mountain?
what ship has a crew
of taxmen thieves and fishermen
who decide in the howling storm
to make a small sleeping carpenter
their captain?

yes
a ship of fools
but there are fools and
those who only appear to be

Of course its a quote.
You have no words of your own,do you?
Now please do us all an immense favour - view it as your "Calgary" moment if you wish to play the misunderstood martyr.
Just fuck off and don't come back.
 
nijinsky's fetlocks said:
johnny crossan said:
...Indeed if I have caused personal offence to anyone please accept my unreserved apologies. There are however two or three posters on this thread whose intemperate invective does incline me to believe that I have erred in expressing myself . (To be fair others have joined in the insultfest with equal enthusiasm if not length.) I readily admit that the original post was provocative and some of my subsequent contributions were short on substance.

Of course its a quote.
You have no words of your own,do you?
Now please do us all an immense favour - view it as your "Calgary" moment if you wish to play the misunderstood martyr.
Just fuck off and don't come back.


nijinskys fetlocks' highlights:

*Us atheist twats must stick together...

*1) You initially start a thread that by its very title has already decided the fate of those who don't share your worldview.
2) You then patronisingly castigate anyone who has the temerity to oppose your infantile beliefs.
3) At no point do you ever rationalise or attempt to quantify the existance of a superior being,other than a few random throwaway soundbites condemning Dawkins - a man of great intellect and intelligence who could run rings around you and your mystical hocus-pocus.
4) You quote some ageing and increasingly irrelevent rock star who has "found" more different "gods" in his life than i've had hot dinners - who exactly gives a toss what some drone-voiced old fart has-been thinks about god or indeed anything else.
5) You sign off with some pious diatribe oozing crocodile tears regarding our religious "blindness" - here's the news mate - we neither worry nor care about you ludicrous Narnia of fairy stories.
6) Your irrational and supine belief system is responsible for more premature deaths in this world than any single cause other than the mosquito. It is behind the suppresion of women,it is homophobic,it has created civil unrest since time began.
We have not had one second of civilization free from a religious conflict somewhere in the world since the inception of your nonsensical and hate-filled doctrinal toilet-paper,sorry,the bible.
7) Has there ever been a war declared by atheists on believers?
No - and yet you allegedly "superior" christians have commited wholesale massacres on almost every civilization on the planet for the simple crime of disagreeing with you.
8) Carry on your juvenile suspension of logic if it makes you happy - just don't expect those of us who deal in reality to join your happy-clappy bandwagon.

*So kindly toddle back off to Eden or Narnia and live with your promise of a happy afterlife.
Because frankly I am getting tired of reading your sanctimonious,half-baked drivel.

*Oh,and you should hear the soundtrack blasting out on deck,Johnny.
Its all those nasty,twisted,hard-drinkin' drug takin' rock 'n rollers that I assume devout Christians like you have no time for. You know - like all the good stuff.
Shit,but I forgot - you God-botherers have got MC Hammer,Vanilla Ice and all those other great born-again Christian rockers.
I may well be on a ship thats doomed for Hades in your blinkered eyes mate,but the music will be pounding,the drinks will be endless and i'll be doing lines of Charlie that would make your head spin off the stomach of the hell-bound working girl straddling me.
So you stay on board the Flanders yacht.Leave the fun stuff to the unbelievers.

*Crossan,you are nothing but an irritating moron.
Again,you have selectively chosen some random irrelevent text from some fatuous tome that suits your worldview.
You have absolutely no chance whatsoever of converting me to your baseless beliefs - I have listened to far greater intellects than you could ever be,and they have failed miserably.
I have actually met Dawkins twice,and he is an eloquent,intelligent human being who has come to his position on theology and evolution through years of dedicated study and research.
How you have the audacity to think you know better,whilst demonstrating the debating skills of a primary school child,is breathtaking.I have friends who are adherents of many of the major faiths,and they practise them with devotion and quiet dignity.
What they have never done is harangue,insult and ridicule anyone who fails to share their beliefs.
I would actually suggest to you that the best way to further the cause of religion in general is for you not to post any more of your convenient Wickipedia-trawled gibberish.
You are boring,predictable and pious beyond reason.Why not find yourself some god-bothering website where you can share your infantile worldview with like-minded sheep?
Because I am sick of your pathetic posturing,you attention-seeking clown.

*Oh fuck me - religious repeats now.
Can't we just have an "omnibus" edition of your reheated homilies on a Sunday,so that anyone sad and deluded enough to give you credence and headspace can tune in then?
Have you run so short of soundbites that you have resorted to repetition already?
Well,thats one hell of a theological case you present.
A few pages of interweb debate,and your rationale is spent.
Oh,and the evidence of god that one poster asked for previously?
Thats on its way,I assume?

*In your own time - don't want to rush you,seeing as we've seen nothing whatsoever to substantiate your nonsense in 2000 years or so.

*Why do you religious imbeciles insist on flogging your discredited agenda?
Oh,and whilst we're on the subject,you supposedly kind and compassionate god-followers have a pretty piss-poor track record of respecting the beliefs of those who "walk to the beat of a different drum",don't you?
Or do you fail to acknowledge the atrocities commited in the name of god such as the Inquisition,the Crusades and the colonization and desecration of the Inca,Mayan ,Aztec and numerous other civilizations?
My childhood was very nearly ruined at the hands of one of your "men of god".
In short,because I am tired of debating with you hypocrites and in words that even you will understand,just fuck off and leave me alone.

*Best to stop trying to oppose the pseudo-religious claptrap espoused by Crossan - he is a sad,deluded hypocrite engaged in some futile conversion quest. His doctrine has more holes than Swiss cheese and seems to be ratified solely by random irrelevant quotes. He cannot engage in theological debate in any meaningful way and is actually one of the best reasons I have seen recently for atheism. "Intelligent Design" certainly seems to have given him a bodyswerve.

but wait, did I read:

I have friends who are adherents of many of the major faiths,and they practise them with devotion and quiet dignity.
What they have never done is harangue,insult and ridicule anyone who fails to share their beliefs.


I hope we're not sitting near each other at CoMs - you might recognise me!
 
johnny crossan said:
nijinsky's fetlocks said:
johnny crossan said:
...Indeed if I have caused personal offence to anyone please accept my unreserved apologies. There are however two or three posters on this thread whose intemperate invective does incline me to believe that I have erred in expressing myself . (To be fair others have joined in the insultfest with equal enthusiasm if not length.) I readily admit that the original post was provocative and some of my subsequent contributions were short on substance.

Of course its a quote.
You have no words of your own,do you?
Now please do us all an immense favour - view it as your "Calgary" moment if you wish to play the misunderstood martyr.
Just fuck off and don't come back.


nijinskys fetlocks' highlights:

*Us atheist twats must stick together...

*1) You initially start a thread that by its very title has already decided the fate of those who don't share your worldview.
2) You then patronisingly castigate anyone who has the temerity to oppose your infantile beliefs.
3) At no point do you ever rationalise or attempt to quantify the existance of a superior being,other than a few random throwaway soundbites condemning Dawkins - a man of great intellect and intelligence who could run rings around you and your mystical hocus-pocus.
4) You quote some ageing and increasingly irrelevent rock star who has "found" more different "gods" in his life than i've had hot dinners - who exactly gives a toss what some drone-voiced old fart has-been thinks about god or indeed anything else.
5) You sign off with some pious diatribe oozing crocodile tears regarding our religious "blindness" - here's the news mate - we neither worry nor care about you ludicrous Narnia of fairy stories.
6) Your irrational and supine belief system is responsible for more premature deaths in this world than any single cause other than the mosquito. It is behind the suppresion of women,it is homophobic,it has created civil unrest since time began.
We have not had one second of civilization free from a religious conflict somewhere in the world since the inception of your nonsensical and hate-filled doctrinal toilet-paper,sorry,the bible.
7) Has there ever been a war declared by atheists on believers?
No - and yet you allegedly "superior" christians have commited wholesale massacres on almost every civilization on the planet for the simple crime of disagreeing with you.
8) Carry on your juvenile suspension of logic if it makes you happy - just don't expect those of us who deal in reality to join your happy-clappy bandwagon.

*So kindly toddle back off to Eden or Narnia and live with your promise of a happy afterlife.
Because frankly I am getting tired of reading your sanctimonious,half-baked drivel.

*Oh,and you should hear the soundtrack blasting out on deck,Johnny.
Its all those nasty,twisted,hard-drinkin' drug takin' rock 'n rollers that I assume devout Christians like you have no time for. You know - like all the good stuff.
Shit,but I forgot - you God-botherers have got MC Hammer,Vanilla Ice and all those other great born-again Christian rockers.
I may well be on a ship thats doomed for Hades in your blinkered eyes mate,but the music will be pounding,the drinks will be endless and i'll be doing lines of Charlie that would make your head spin off the stomach of the hell-bound working girl straddling me.
So you stay on board the Flanders yacht.Leave the fun stuff to the unbelievers.

*Crossan,you are nothing but an irritating moron.
Again,you have selectively chosen some random irrelevent text from some fatuous tome that suits your worldview.
You have absolutely no chance whatsoever of converting me to your baseless beliefs - I have listened to far greater intellects than you could ever be,and they have failed miserably.
I have actually met Dawkins twice,and he is an eloquent,intelligent human being who has come to his position on theology and evolution through years of dedicated study and research.
How you have the audacity to think you know better,whilst demonstrating the debating skills of a primary school child,is breathtaking.I have friends who are adherents of many of the major faiths,and they practise them with devotion and quiet dignity.
What they have never done is harangue,insult and ridicule anyone who fails to share their beliefs.
I would actually suggest to you that the best way to further the cause of religion in general is for you not to post any more of your convenient Wickipedia-trawled gibberish.
You are boring,predictable and pious beyond reason.Why not find yourself some god-bothering website where you can share your infantile worldview with like-minded sheep?
Because I am sick of your pathetic posturing,you attention-seeking clown.

*Oh fuck me - religious repeats now.
Can't we just have an "omnibus" edition of your reheated homilies on a Sunday,so that anyone sad and deluded enough to give you credence and headspace can tune in then?
Have you run so short of soundbites that you have resorted to repetition already?
Well,thats one hell of a theological case you present.
A few pages of interweb debate,and your rationale is spent.
Oh,and the evidence of god that one poster asked for previously?
Thats on its way,I assume?

*In your own time - don't want to rush you,seeing as we've seen nothing whatsoever to substantiate your nonsense in 2000 years or so.

*Why do you religious imbeciles insist on flogging your discredited agenda?
Oh,and whilst we're on the subject,you supposedly kind and compassionate god-followers have a pretty piss-poor track record of respecting the beliefs of those who "walk to the beat of a different drum",don't you?
Or do you fail to acknowledge the atrocities commited in the name of god such as the Inquisition,the Crusades and the colonization and desecration of the Inca,Mayan ,Aztec and numerous other civilizations?
My childhood was very nearly ruined at the hands of one of your "men of god".
In short,because I am tired of debating with you hypocrites and in words that even you will understand,just fuck off and leave me alone.

*Best to stop trying to oppose the pseudo-religious claptrap espoused by Crossan - he is a sad,deluded hypocrite engaged in some futile conversion quest. His doctrine has more holes than Swiss cheese and seems to be ratified solely by random irrelevant quotes. He cannot engage in theological debate in any meaningful way and is actually one of the best reasons I have seen recently for atheism. "Intelligent Design" certainly seems to have given him a bodyswerve.

but wait, did I read:

I have friends who are adherents of many of the major faiths,and they practise them with devotion and quiet dignity.
What they have never done is harangue,insult and ridicule anyone who fails to share their beliefs.


I hope we're not sitting near each other at CoMs - you might recognise me!

Yes,and I stand by every word.
I may not pull punches,but my experience of your so-called "religion" was a living hell.
You have also singularly failed to answer legitimate questions posed by myself and others regarding the outrageous atrocities committed in the name of god.
Much less any attempt at apology.
You are a one-man rentaquote - you may not like my words,but at least they have the virtue of being my own,and not hijacked from the mouths of others.
You came on here with an insulting and derogatory thread title,which was by its very nature inflammatory and divisive.
You then fail to back up any of your spurious fairy stories with anything but platitudes from others.
And then you act all wounded and surprised when some of us bite back.
I no longer wish to discuss the issue with you,as you are clearly incapable of answering in anything other than glib quotes from others.
Goodbye,and have a nicer life than I had as a child,thanks to men of your faith.
 

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