Ship of fools

[squirtyflower]

That was a fantastic, well argued, evidenced post Nijinsky, I doff my cap to you sir.

 

[Zimmy]

I don't think the "here were some bad people who did great wrong" argument gets us very far at all in considering whether or not God exists, although a couple of you have had very bad experiences as the hands of people of faith, and I am very sorry for that.

I don't think "prove it" arguments get to the heart of what is at stake either, although I certainly understand the frustration when someone makes a pitch for God and sustains it by suggesting that you must be wicked or stupid if you do not buy it. If religious belief entails an evangelical component then this is not how to make the sale.

The head says "no" yet the heart hopes. However, I am not sure that reason or interest alone can ever explain the really worthwhile things we get up to in a life: raising kids; nursing ailing parents; helping strangers; basically not giving up even when by any rational/reasonable measure there is no point. And that, for me, is the glimpse of something more.

We don't have these sorts of conversations on the Gillingham MB.

 

[johnny crossan]

That was a fantastic, well argued, evidenced post Nijinsky, I doff my cap to you sir.

Ah that Calgary moment again. So many lumberjacks in awe.

 

[Stanley]

Rub This on yourself and lets see if you dissappear, Its worked before:

 

[ElanJo]

I don't think the "here were some bad people who did great wrong" argument gets us very far at all in considering whether or not God exists, although a couple of you have had very bad experiences as the hands of people of faith, and I am very sorry for that.

I don't think "prove it" arguments get to the heart of what is at stake either, although I certainly understand the frustration when someone makes a pitch for God and sustains it by suggesting that you must be wicked or stupid if you do not buy it. If religious belief entails an evangelical component then this is not how to make the sale.

The head says "no" yet the heart hopes. However, I am not sure that reason or interest alone can ever explain the really worthwhile things we get up to in a life: raising kids; nursing ailing parents; helping strangers; basically not giving up even when by any rational/reasonable measure there is no point. And that, for me, is the glimpse of something more.

We don't have these sorts of conversations on the Gillingham MB.

raising kids and nursing parents is pretty obvious from a naturalistic/Darwinian POV.

Helping strangers, Prof Dawkins has an interesting take on this. Basically he views it as a 'misfiring' of tribal kinship behaviour. All throughout our evolutionary past we have traveled in small groups, where you would likely be in the company of the same people almost throughout your entire life, so there was a social pressure to help others who you would be in contact with - for survivability. A selfish urge resulting in altruistic behaviour. This urge is still with us now even tho we live in big cities where most others are strangers and the likelihood of them returning any help is minimal.

It is an instinct to do good. Only a while ago I found a purse on the path, opened it to see whether there was any ID in it and looked around for the owner. I eventually found her and gave it her back. I could have taken the money - there was quite a wad in there aswell as jewelry , credit cards etc- but I never even thought about it at the time. I'm no Mr. Goody Two Shoes, but there was an instinct there to do good.
With that said, if I was poor and living on the streets i may have taken it. The urge to survive, I imagine, is stronger than anything... which brings me to the , what could seem to be, the irrational will to carry on and not give up.

 

[Matty]

That was a fantastic, well argued, evidenced post Nijinsky, I doff my cap to you sir.

Ah that Calgary moment again. So many lumberjacks in awe.

At any point are you going to back up your standpoint with cold hard facts, or are you just going to ignore the request and continue to post irrelevant and vague quotes that in no way provide any kind of proof towards God's existance?

You're adament that God exists, that you're right and we're wrong. We can provide scientific arguements that counter the position of God existing, you seemingly can provide flowery waffling, conjecture and suposition in counternance. There's been 25 pages now, it's time to "put up or shut up", prove God exists or shut the fuck up with your inane crap.

 

[johnny crossan]

Still not had that ONE fact that proves God exists to me from Crossan, surprising that.

nor me and i think we all know why

A fact? A single solitary fact? What kind of God would provide you with the incontrovertible proof you seek? No belief problems then .... but no salvation either. Come on boys, grow up.

 

[GStar]

Still not had that ONE fact that proves God exists to me from Crossan, surprising that.

nor me and i think we all know why

A fact? A single solitary fact? What kind of God would provide you with the incontrovertible proof you seek? No belief problems then .... but no salvation either. Come on boys, grow up.

Aren't you neglecting your duties in the picture thread? ;)

 

[johnny crossan]

Rub This on yourself and lets see if you dissappear, Its worked before:

I wish it would work on you. (forgive me)

 

[tueartsboots]

Still not had that ONE fact that proves God exists to me from Crossan, surprising that.

nor me and i think we all know why

A fact? A single solitary fact? What kind of God would provide you with the incontrovertible proof you seek? No belief problems then .... but no salvation either. Come on boys, grow up.

Salvation from what? This bloody awful existence? Kinda of proves god does NOT exist if we need salvation from being created in the first place.