Shooting at Mandalay Bay Resort (Las Vegas)

[Jazzcat]

Not sure how you get there from the hundreds of millions of guns and millions of law abiding gun owners out there?

We are a very big country with wide open spaces and many a good reason to own guns. Some people don't have the best of motives.

Let's just understand one thing: People who don't live here don't (maybe can't?) understand and I'm not going to change that here.

You'd get there by simply comparing the statistics and if you can't see the direct correlation between the number of shooting incidents and the amount of weapons in circulation then you're beyond help.
Some people don't have the best intentions, indeed, and providing over the counter weaponry and ammunition surely won't mitigate the amount of shooting incidents or the potential damage they can do.
If anything, it just creates a larger illegal market and increases the risk of people getting shot, bad intentions or not.
Do you really think that an armed populace is an effective way of combatting 'bad guys' and gun crimes??
I think it's already been proven that the right to carry is in no way a deterrent, otherwise we'd have seen less shooting incidents by now, instead the numbers are steadily increasing.
So yes, there are people with ample reasons to own a gun but fending off bad guys really isn't one of them as it's simply not working.

 

[tshirtman]

This! And from one who lives in the militia capital of America and another from the murder capital! What a pair, eh?!

When was the last time either of was in Manchester, also which part of the city was you in?
just wondering so I can avoid those parts that are more dangerous than 98% of the US.

 

[Barcon]

Not sure how you get there from the hundreds of millions of guns and millions of law abiding gun owners out there?

We are a very big country with wide open spaces and many a good reason to own guns. Some people don't have the best of motives.

Let's just understand one thing: People who don't live here don't (maybe can't?) understand and I'm not going to change that here.

A bit like Canada.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

A bit like Canada.

But with added knuckledraggers. America. Fuck yeah!

 

[ChicagoBlue]

You'd get there by simply comparing the statistics and if you can't see the direct correlation between the number of shooting incidents and the amount of weapons in circulation then you're beyond help.
Some people don't have the best intentions, indeed, and providing over the counter weaponry and ammunition surely won't mitigate the amount of shooting incidents or the potential damage they can do.
If anything, it just creates a larger illegal market and increases the risk of people getting shot, bad intentions or not.
Finally do you really think that an armed populace is an effective way of combatting 'bad guys' and gun crimes??
I think it's already been proven that the right to carry is in no way a deterrent, otherwise we'd have seen less shooting incidents by now, instead the numbers are steadily increasing.
So yes, there are people with ample reasons to own a gun but fending off bad guys really isn't one of them as it's simply not working.

Have you ever taken the time to look into how many incidents of good shooter saving people there are?

As for an armed populace, there are many examples of large armed populations who do not commit such crimes.

Listen, I'm as horrified as everyone here. What I'm TRYING to do is explain to people who think it is simply a matter of "changing the law" are out to lunch and lack any understanding of American history or life.

I take issue with your last point, but we are so far gone here, that it's not worth it.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

A bit like Canada.

With the Constitutional Right to have no restrictions on it, of course. Oh wait...!

I'm not here to defend America, only to try to help others understand why so many Americans own guns and feel the need to.

I'm disgusted by gun crime and think they should throw away the key for those that commit crimes using guns! I'm serious on law and order...but I'm also a gun owner! Crazy me, huh?!

 

[Irwell]

What I'm TRYING to do is explain

What you should be trying to do is understand it and resolve it, not explain it. Certain factions in your country have spent decades trying to explain it when what was needed was action rather than explanation. Unfortunately the factions trying to explain it have significant financial motivation not to act on it.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Have you ever taken the time to look into how many incidents of good shooter saving people there are?

As for an armed populace, there are many examples of large armed populations who do not commit such crimes.

Listen, I'm as horrified as everyone here. What I'm TRYING to do is explain to people who think it is simply a matter of "changing the law" are out to lunch and lack any understanding of American history or life.

I take issue with your last point, but we are so far gone here, that it's not worth it.

Change America life then. That needs to start culturally. People in this country used to drive home from the pub after 9 pints. It gradually became culturally unacceptable after an initial concerted campaign

 

[mcfcphil]

Not sure how you get there from the hundreds of millions of guns and millions of law abiding gun owners out there?

We are a very big country with wide open spaces and many a good reason to own guns. Some people don't have the best of motives.

Let's just understand one thing: People who don't live here don't (maybe can't?) understand and I'm not going to change that here.

While I don't agree I can just about see the argument of someone living in rural/remote areas where guns are part of every day life on ranches etc or people wanting a gun at home for protection against intruders etc.

But we're talking about machine guns here. There is nothing constitutional about a machine gun and there is absolutely no legitimate reason for any civilian to require possession of a machine gun. It's totally obscene.

 

[willipp]

I'd take CA over I Drive all day, every day. Daytona is much nicer than it once was. Go down south, beachside towards New Smyrna, for some peace and quiet, but also be aware that stretch of beach is a shark haven! Google and YouTube will provide evidence!

Funny you should mention this, there is a programme on channel 5 here right now about atracks at that beach where there were 2 attacks in one day. Never heard of that beach until u mentioned it and 5 minutes later a programme starts. Saying they were black tipped sharks.