Shooting at Mandalay Bay Resort (Las Vegas)

[ChicagoBlue]

Its the law so it is legal for you to have a gun. It is not your right though. Only the constitution grants that and it clearly is not in the constitution.

You're kidding, right?
So what do you think the Second Amendment is an amendment to?

 

[ChicagoBlue]

So you are not in a well regulated militia?

Maybe, maybe not....

 

[ChicagoBlue]

And yet their legitimacy is governed by a law devised in the late eighteenth century. Therein lies another big problem with legislation on guns.

Err, Magna Carta?

It may be amusing to denounce the foundational documents of a country that, in a few centuries, went from a revolutionary war to remove itself from under the boot of Britain to possibly the most powerful country in the world. However, many citizens of that country find almost any denunciation of America from someone from Britain as somewhat laughable.

None of that speaks to how I feel about the Constitution.

 

[i kne albert davy]

What a brilliant opening to Newsnight by Andrew Neil about the stupidity of gun ownership and lack of control in America

Since 1968 more Americans have died from being gunned down in America than any Americans losing their life in every war America have fought, frightening really.

Not sure that's right unless you count that American civil war as a war the Americans didn't fight 750 thousand WW1 116 thousand WW2 400 thousand Vietnam 58 thousand Korea 54 thousand plus other minor conflicts, that adds up to some gun murders since 1968, makes a good story though.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Not sure that's right unless you count that American civil war as a war the Americans didn't fight 750 thousand WW1 116 thousand WW2 400 thousand Vietnam 58 thousand Korea 54 thousand plus other minor conflicts, that adds up to some gun murders since 1968, makes a good story though.

Here's that good story for ya!

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/l...illed-guns-1968-all-u-s-wars-combined-n807156

Did you notice...NBC News, so per The Donald, it might be fake news! HAHAHAHA!

 

[i kne albert davy]

Here's that good story for ya!

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/l...illed-guns-1968-all-u-s-wars-combined-n807156

Did you notice...NBC News, so per The Donald, it might be fake news! HAHAHAHA!

Maybe its right then proper seems unlikely to me but there you go, does that include suicides and accidents,I know there's a lot of gun related deaths in the US, but more than in all American conflicts seemed a bit implausible to me.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Maybe its right then proper seems unlikely to me but there you go, does that include suicides and accidents,I know there's a lot of gun related deaths in the US, but more than in all American conflicts seemed a bit implausible to me.

Most gun deaths are suicide.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/upshot/gun-deaths-are-mostly-suicides.html

 

[better dead than red]

Maybe its right then proper seems unlikely to me but there you go, does that include suicides and accidents,I know there's a lot of gun related deaths in the US, but more than in all American conflicts seemed a bit implausible to me.

Yes. Almost universally these types of figures include suicides, police killing bad guys (or not), and individuals using a gun to kill someone intending to do them grievous bodily harm.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Here is a major part of the issue. Some turn to guns when you feel powerless. To often this goes well outside the scope of protecting your home from intruders. Now the fact they are so freely available makes any issue a possible deadly situation on a regular basis.

You hit a bout of depression, have a bottle of jack and pull the trigger. Your missus leaves you and you see her with her new man and your armed and have a moment of madness.

In the UK you may try swallowing pills and not die, you punch the shit out of the new fella but he is still alive and fine again in a week. Situations where if guns were not so readily available the outcome would not be death.

Couldn't agree with you more, mate. My friends (ages 40-50) who own guns are all sweet guys, family men, mostly from the midwest, grew up as outdoorsmen, a few are ex-military. But all of them are conservative, upper-middle class (at a minimum), have daughters and are worried about the potential for a home intrusion -- despite the fact that we live in one of the safest counties in America. Do I worry that any of them will slowly go nuts, or could reach for a weapon in a fit of rage? Absolutely not, and they would all characterize themselves as anally-responsible gun owners.

Here's the thing though . . . people change. It only takes an instant. But guns don't.

As I wrote elsewhere -- these fellows own guns because they don't trust others. But others are supposed to trust them when they say they are responsible gun owners. That line of "logic" makes no sense to me.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Couldn't agree with you more, mate. My friends (ages 40-50) who own guns are all sweet guys, family men, mostly from the midwest, grew up as outdoorsmen, a few are ex-military. But all of them are conservative, upper-middle class (at a minimum), have daughters and are worried about the potential for a home intrusion -- despite the fact that we live in one of the safest counties in America. Do I worry that any of them will slowly go nuts, or could reach for a weapon in a fit of rage? Absolutely not, and they would all characterize themselves as anally-responsible gun owners.

Here's the thing though . . . people change. It only takes an instant. But guns don't.

As I wrote elsewhere -- these fellows own guns because they don't trust others. But others are supposed to trust them when they say they are responsible gun owners. That line of "logic" makes no sense to me.

Do they carry? If not, then the weapon is secured at home and not readily available. Ergo, the trust issue is one of home invasion...and anyone who comes into my home without permission has no trust and deserves none.