Shootings in Paris

[Anonymous]

Yet you defend Islam with more fervour than the Muslims have done so. It's a not a "White Guilt Complex" is it?

I am white but no guilt or complex. Keep guessing though after all you guessed the white bit right.

Then you've certainly displayed the 'guilt complex' part, it seems.

You have been filed under genocide!.

 

[mindmyp's_n_q's]

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[Anonymous]

" Psychological terrorism is a form of attack which may leave no physical marks or impact upon a person or group of people, but ultimately leaves psychological injuries or traumas that have a lasting impact".
OR
"Psychological terrorism is typically a form of terrorism that primarily targets people’s psychological well being and state of mind, with the intent of having a negative impact on those people ".

These are definition of Psychological Terrorism and when Muslims say they feel offended but apparently close to 2 billion people then its not freedom of speech of which we have seen a lot of double standards its "psychological terrorism " which have been given the color of freedom of expression .
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People are quick to ridicule the idea and concept of false flag attacks as conspiracy theories but the truth is history is filled with false flags attacks ,some glaring examples are Second sino japenese war which resulted in Japan leaving the league of nations or The world war 2 ,it might be surprising but it did started with Germans false flag. This is just the list from Wikipedia ,no conspiracy theorist
<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag</a>

In many or if not all criminal case investigation(chief investigating officer committing suicide in this case ) the first question that is worked on " who benefits from it ?" Was it Muslims who benefited ? i think the answer could genuinely be a big NO ,War lords ,probably yes ,Far right is already on the rise across europe ,USA is already getting more and more strict with their policies on their own citizen,the nsa scandal comes to mind,and Cameron just issued a statement he wants more scrutiny on internet usage etc,if you agree with more scrutiny policy i am sorry for bringing it up,and Their are so many questionable things in this attack ,
Cheif investigating officer commits suicide
Officer gets shot by a ak 47 on the street with no blood
Attackers committed such a sophisticated operation but left the id card in get away car ,like how they managed to find a passport from the ruble of Trade Towers but a building a good few yards away goes down due to heat .
And others.

The internet had a good laugh on fox news claiming birmingham "muslim only "city ,it was a blatant lie by a so called expert ,what makes you think that main stream media haven't lied before (iraq wmds) or are not lying now ,It could very well not be a false flag and all of these things could be a coincidence but at least we can think on other lines as well

Wibble.

False flags my arse fella.

In the same way you urge us all to start to understand the issues surrounding this one big mess, you do the same and acknowledge you have some fucking idiots going around murdering innocent people all over the world in the so called name of your prophet!

He has many times on this very thread.

 

[blueinsa]

He has many times on this very thread.

Tried to make excuses?

Agreed.

 

[johnmc]

Did it bother you to read my thoughts on intermarriage with the enemy?.

After I mentioned intermarrying with Muslims, you could see the anti Islamic posters getting very upset with such a notion. I don't think they had ever considered that their children could intermarry and how it could be a very distinct possibility.

Where was this - I obviously missed it. Can you tell me where I will find posters getting upset with the notion of intermarrying

 

[foxy]

For the fucking idiots out there, IT IS NOT RACIST TO CRITICIZE A RELIGION. Islam carries followers from different races and countries just like Christianity. Surely those crying racist, are for stereotyping what a muslim should look like..

Funny that nobody cries racism when there are endless criticism of the Christian church.

 

[Metal Biker]

Does it fill you with more hate and anger that I would defend the evil Muslims?.

Not at all. But we're critical of evil extremists, not "evil Muslims". I just don't get why you're seemingly filled with such anger and hatred against those who choose to criticise Islam with perfectly logical and justifiable complaints.

Do you feel I'm siding with the enemy?

The 'enemy' which has been eluded to during this debate is violent extremist doctrine, so only you can answer that. There is a sense that you are attempting to shift blame away from the perpetrators of the act by agreeing with the notion that antagonising others which results in a heinous crime can be explained as inevitable and therefore understandable.

Did it bother you to read my thoughts on intermarriage with the enemy?.

Haven't read it.

After I mentioned intermarrying with Muslims, you could see the anti Islamic posters getting very upset with such a notion. I don't think they had ever considered that their children could intermarry and how it could be a very distinct possibility.

Again haven't read it nor does it bother me if you are insinuating what you're insinuating. Although you are beginning to confirm the suspicions I have about you that you feel about other posters who have made their comments on this particular topic, and I feel your accusatory stance is not only misguided but also damaging and also an example you have nothing left to add to the debate.

This was probably the reason you accused me of having a "white guilt complex".

You're just typical of the archetype, which you are again living up to. It doesn't appear that you understand what having a White Guilt Complex means.

They were soon disappearing from the thread with their little worlds crumbling at the thought. You could hear the collective gulp... It was wonderful, I just hope it was running around in their heads all night as they struggled to reconcile such a thought. I also hope it was the first thing they thought about this morning. ;-)

Your accusation of "white guilt complex" in this scenario is no different to being labelled a n****r lover growing up, just because I hung around with Black and Asian lads. (Well if it was a toss up between their kind and your kind.)

I did the same. Yet i'm not the one attempting to justify the actions of the extremists or attempting to place some of the blame for what happened at the feet of the cartoonists. What exactly is 'my kind'? Human? Egalitarian?

Thankfully the world has moved on, people like you are quickly being left behind. Your world is finished the Muslims are coming, BM will soon be under sharia law and our children/grandchildren will be intermarrying.

And there we have it. Confirmation of your bigotry at last. You think those who criticise religion as being small minded bigoted racists don't you. Oh the hypocrisy. "People like me"? You honestly think I judge people based on differences such as skin colour, sexual orientation or gender? Religion is a belief, a choice, a choice I don't happen to agree with but I don't criticise the person, I criticise the philosophy. I see people who follow religion with a passion as a 40 year old man who still believes in Father Christmas. Do I show sensitivity about his beliefs or do I hold the view that it's time for him to readdress his view of the world and his belief? You're still focused on skin colour, i'm not.

If you aren't mature enough to accept other peoples opinions then you're just a big as part of the problem as the one you claim to want to eradicate. I trust you are happy in your sanctimonious sense of grandeur. But if you ever attempt to refer to me as something which I am not, or make any sort of connotations as being so, you can consider any further dialogue between the two of us as finished. I have no time for closed minded bigots like yourself who throw accusations and insults around because they have no logical argument to make.

I for one cannot wait. It's practically the dream MLK had. Beautiful.

As does everyone. Its just a shame that our methods differ in achieving that goal. Dialogue and understanding replaced by your ideals of demonisation and censorship.

 

[Metal Biker]

I am white but no guilt or complex. Keep guessing though after all you guessed the white bit right.

Then you've certainly displayed the 'guilt complex' part, it seems.

You have been filed under genocide!.

Not very mature are you.

 

[Juan King]

For the fucking idiots out there, IT IS NOT RACIST TO CRITICIZE A RELIGION. Islam carries followers from different races and countries just like Christianity. Surely those crying racist, are for stereotyping what a muslim should look like..

Funny that nobody cries racism when there are endless criticism of the Christian church.

Racist!

 

[blueinsa]

For the fucking idiots out there, IT IS NOT RACIST TO CRITICIZE A RELIGION. Islam carries followers from different races and countries just like Christianity. Surely those crying racist, are for stereotyping what a muslim should look like..

Funny that nobody cries racism when there are endless criticism of the Christian church.

Its all they have mate.

Scream RACIST, repeat ad nauseam.

 

[foxy]

For the fucking idiots out there, IT IS NOT RACIST TO CRITICIZE A RELIGION. Islam carries followers from different races and countries just like Christianity. Surely those crying racist, are for stereotyping what a muslim should look like..

Funny that nobody cries racism when there are endless criticism of the Christian church.

Its all they have mate.

Scream RACIST, repeat ad nauseam.

I think it gives them some form of satisfaction to make them feel better about themselves, kind of a false platform to think they are morally superior because they've thrown a false accusation in completely the wrong context.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

For the fucking idiots out there, IT IS NOT RACIST TO CRITICIZE A RELIGION.

So Whelan's comments that Jews chase money more than most weren't racist then?

 

[Metal Biker]

For the fucking idiots out there, IT IS NOT RACIST TO CRITICIZE A RELIGION.

So Whelan's comments that Jews chase money more than most weren't racist then?

That was a negative racist stereotype about an entire group of people.

He was correctly punished (if a little leniently in my book) but IMHO I couldn't see anything where he was making critical comments of the religion of Judaism itself. I myself am critical of circumcision (and FGM); I don't believe it makes me 'a racist' to question the logic or purpose of such a practice held within the religion.
(Of course I may be incorrect that Jewish law states that all male Hebrew babies must undergo the procedure (having never read the Torah) but that is my current understanding unless someone wishes to enlighten me about the connection between circumcision and Judaism)

 

[Cheesy]

For the fucking idiots out there, IT IS NOT RACIST TO CRITICIZE A RELIGION.

So Whelan's comments that Jews chase money more than most weren't racist then?

That was proper offensive.

Let's hope there's no Jewish extremists out there who want revenge.

 

[SWP's back]

For the fucking idiots out there, IT IS NOT RACIST TO CRITICIZE A RELIGION.

So Whelan's comments that Jews chase money more than most weren't racist then?

Hang on.

I said Jews were a race and you said that was bollocks.

The Jews are a set apart though. You can be a non-religious or atheist Jew. You'd still be ethnically a Jew, hence my point regarding te nazis not giving a shite if they were practicing or not and that the nazis tried to wipe out the Jewish race for racist ideological reasons. However you can't be an atheist Muslim or atheist Christian. That wouldn't make any sense.

You're a smart bloke and you are well aware of that. I think you are just playing silly buggers with the above.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

For the fucking idiots out there, IT IS NOT RACIST TO CRITICIZE A RELIGION.

So Whelan's comments that Jews chase money more than most weren't racist then?

That was a negative racist stereotype about an entire group of people.

He was correctly punished (if a little leniently in my book) but IMHO I couldn't see anything where he was making critical comments of the religion of Judaism itself.

That's fair enough but the point was there is a fine line between criticising a religion and mocking it for the sake of upsetting its followers or inciting others.

It's ike someone making a comment on here and two posters answering it. One gives a reasoned critique backed up by a oherent argument and the other calls the comments a load of shite and the OP a fucking moron. One is acceptable whereas the other isn't.

 

[SWP's back]

So Whelan's comments that Jews chase money more than most weren't racist then?

That was a negative racist stereotype about an entire group of people.

He was correctly punished (if a little leniently in my book) but IMHO I couldn't see anything where he was making critical comments of the religion of Judaism itself.

That's fair enough but the point was there is a fine line between criticising a religion and mocking it for the sake of upsetting its followers or inciting others.

It's ike someone making a comment on here and two posters answering it. One gives a reasoned critique backed up by a oherent argument and the other calls the comments a load of shite and the OP a fucking moron. One is acceptable whereas the other isn't.

Both are fine. Depends if one is in a rush and whether the mouth breathing OP is worth the trouble, or Johnsonontheleft.

 

[foxy]

For the fucking idiots out there, IT IS NOT RACIST TO CRITICIZE A RELIGION.

So Whelan's comments that Jews chase money more than most weren't racist then?

When did I say that Colin? That's stereotyping and offensive. I've clearly not stereotyped any religion or race. I used the term "criticize" not "slur". Again you make a shit comparison which has nothing to do with the point/comment I've made.

Criticizing a religion or belief has been done by the press, media news channels for years. Schools critique religions, the differences between conservative and liberal followers, do they take the bible literally. We blast Catholics for their attitude towards homosexuals. We mock and stereotype that Catholics ban the use of contraception so they have huge fucking families, a common running joke. Is that racist? Nope it isn't

In this thread, posters have critiqued how daft it is that a cartoon of an ancient prophet has offended conservative Muslims. I've done this and questioned why in society we should critique one religion and not the other...

You've pointed out that tact should be used when critiquing Islam due to potential consequences. It was some what of a civil debate. It seems bastard posters are quick and eager to pull the "you are a racist" trigger to their own enjoyment because the subject of Islam is being discussed.

 

[Metal Biker]

So Whelan's comments that Jews chase money more than most weren't racist then?

That was a negative racist stereotype about an entire group of people.

He was correctly punished (if a little leniently in my book) but IMHO I couldn't see anything where he was making critical comments of the religion of Judaism itself.

That's fair enough but the point was there is a fine line between criticising a religion and mocking it for the sake of upsetting its followers or inciting others.

It's ike someone making a comment on here and two posters answering it. One gives a reasoned critique backed up by a oherent argument and the other calls the comments a load of shite and the OP a fucking moron. One is acceptable whereas the other isn't.

This is the crux of the whole issue isn't it and there's confusion on all sides.

Some who see all religions as, not necessarily 'evil', but whose doctrine is regressive to a progressive society whereas there are those who are critical of religion who do see it as evil, like militant atheists who have a serious negative view of organised religion and seek to demonise and patronise religions and those who follow them. Do you feel people have a correct understand of Jews and Hebrews and their uses as synonyms to describe those who practice Judaism?

I'm sort of muddled myself in this area; I think I have the right understande because I have been informed that my grandmother on my mothers side was Jewish and that apparently makes me Jewish, but am I jewish as in the religious connotation or Hebrew in the racial sense? Does Jewish mean Hebrew and vice versa? If asked should I say 'Jewish heritage' or 'Hebrew heritage'?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

For the fucking idiots out there, IT IS NOT RACIST TO CRITICIZE A RELIGION.

So Whelan's comments that Jews chase money more than most weren't racist then?

Hang on.

I said Jews were a race and you said that was bollocks.

The Jews are a set apart though. You can be a non-religious or atheist Jew. You'd still be ethnically a Jew, hence my point regarding te nazis not giving a shite if they were practicing or not and that the nazis tried to wipe out the Jewish race for racist ideological reasons. However you can't be an atheist Muslim or atheist Christian. That wouldn't make any sense.

You're a smart bloke and you are well aware of that. I think you are just playing silly buggers with the above.

No I'm not. I don't recognise the term "ethnically Jewish". I'm ethnically British, bring born in Britain to British parents. However, by dint of the fact that my mother was the product of Jewish parents, who married in a recognised synagogue in a legal and religious ceremony, and who herself took part in a similar ceremony before I was born, I am considered to be automatically Jewish. Whether I choose to believe in the religion and practice it is an entirely different matter. Even if I were to die choking on a bacon butty, I would still be buried as a Jew. Whereas there is, I understand, no such linear basis in Islam and Christianity. As pointed out, I may share my DNA with 80% of other Jews but that does not mean I have anything else in common with them.

And I consider racism to be something that can be directed against a distinct group, whether that distinction is based on race, ethnicity or religion.