Shootings in Paris

[Prestwich_Blue]

Because incitement is the act of calling on others to break the law; taking the piss is just taking the piss. That's the difference.

But what to you is just taking the piss is, to others, incitement. It's about perception. Can you not see that?

Imagine you go round pubs taking (in your view) the piss out of certain people in those pubs. Some may take it in the right way, some may be offended but decide to ignore you as they don't want trouble but some might take great offence and twat you. In the eyes of the law they're in the wrong if they do twat you but you should have been aware that their reaction was a distinct possibility.

 

[foetus]

I still don't understand how the victims in the supermarket took the piss out of Islam and hence deserved to die...can someone clear up the 'eye for an eye' explanation with regards to these people?

 

[SWP's back]

I din't get it completely. Heaven or hell or predestination or karma may be an idea. Muhammad (pbuh) or Jesus (pbuh) is not an idea by the way. Most practicing Muslims do love Muhammad (pbuh) . So how is it that the feelings are not hurt.

Then they have my sympathies.

Had they been born in India, they would have those feeling perhaps for Ghanesh.
Had they been born in Alabama, they would perhaps have them for Jesus.
Had they been born in Sweden, 1,000 years ago, perhaps for Thor.
That they feel that way Mohammed is a quirk of fate, of their timing and place of birth and their indoctrination, nothing more. His, is just one of 7,000 or so recorded religions in human history and just as likely/unlikely as all of the others.

Religion is just an idea, an idea based on no evidence nor rationalism, hence defaming it is not the same as racism or anti-semitism, which was your question.

Did you watch the video?

There are reasons as to why people follow religion, as the video shows why people believe what Mohammed said all those years ago.

Although not religious myself, if I had to choose one it would be Buddhism, as I find the idea of reincarnation helpful to my own life, and that is just one reason people choose religion.

Since being on the other side of the world I have tried Christianity, been to church several times over a 3 month period, and while my image of church was outdated and old fashioned, I found it strange and uncomfortable to see grown men have their hands in the air, feeling out for something from above, or or running around the church being vocal about God. Not my cup of tea, but each to their own and I enjoyed the experience.

Trying different religions like canapes at a party makes me laugh.

Each to their own but by previous post stands on it. Whilst some people convert later in life - the over whelming majority of theists are indoctrinated into the religion at a very early age.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I still don't understand how the victims in the supermarket took the piss out of Islam and hence deserved to die...can someone clear up the 'eye for an eye' explanation with regards to these people?

Of course they didn't deserve to die but Muslims take great exception to anything they see as disrespect towards Mohammed. Whether you think that's right or not is neither here nor there. The fact is that they do and there is a minority that is prepared to kill over it.

 

[SWP's back]

Because incitement is the act of calling on others to break the law; taking the piss is just taking the piss. That's the difference.

But what to you is just taking the piss is, to others, incitement. It's about perception. Can you not see that?

Imagine you go round pubs taking (in your view) the piss out of certain people in those pubs. Some may take it in the right way, some may be offended but decide to ignore you as they don't want trouble but some might take great offence and twat you. In the eyes of the law they're in the wrong if they do twat you but you should have been aware that their reaction was a distinct possibility.

I have highlighted the pertinent point in your post.

 

[SWP's back]

I still don't understand how the victims in the supermarket took the piss out of Islam and hence deserved to die...can someone clear up the 'eye for an eye' explanation with regards to these people?

Of course they didn't deserve to die but Muslims take great exception to anything they see as disrespect towards Mohammed. Whether you think that's right or not is neither here nor there. The fact is that they do and there is a minority that is prepared to kill over it.

And they are murderous scum and if people changed what they said, drew or printed so as not to offend them, then they win with bully boy tactics.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Because incitement is the act of calling on others to break the law; taking the piss is just taking the piss. That's the difference.

But what to you is just taking the piss is, to others, incitement. It's about perception. Can you not see that?

Imagine you go round pubs taking (in your view) the piss out of certain people in those pubs. Some may take it in the right way, some may be offended but decide to ignore you as they don't want trouble but some might take great offence and twat you. In the eyes of the law they're in the wrong if they do twat you but you should have been aware that their reaction was a distinct possibility.

I have highlighted the pertinent point in your post.

Not much consolation when you're lying in a pool of blood though is it? The pertinent part of my post was the bit after the part you highlighted. In the eyes of the law, you may well be considered to have provoked the assault.

What would you expect to happen if you were to wander round the streets of Qatar today tearing up a Koran and giving out copies of Charlie Hebdo with the offending cartoons?

 

[goalmole]

I still don't understand how the victims in the supermarket took the piss out of Islam and hence deserved to die...can someone clear up the 'eye for an eye' explanation with regards to these people?

Collateral damage, our American friends would call it.

 

[Ricster]

Then they have my sympathies.

Had they been born in India, they would have those feeling perhaps for Ghanesh.
Had they been born in Alabama, they would perhaps have them for Jesus.
Had they been born in Sweden, 1,000 years ago, perhaps for Thor.
That they feel that way Mohammed is a quirk of fate, of their timing and place of birth and their indoctrination, nothing more. His, is just one of 7,000 or so recorded religions in human history and just as likely/unlikely as all of the others.

Religion is just an idea, an idea based on no evidence nor rationalism, hence defaming it is not the same as racism or anti-semitism, which was your question.

Did you watch the video?

There are reasons as to why people follow religion, as the video shows why people believe what Mohammed said all those years ago.

Although not religious myself, if I had to choose one it would be Buddhism, as I find the idea of reincarnation helpful to my own life, and that is just one reason people choose religion.

Since being on the other side of the world I have tried Christianity, been to church several times over a 3 month period, and while my image of church was outdated and old fashioned, I found it strange and uncomfortable to see grown men have their hands in the air, feeling out for something from above, or or running around the church being vocal about God. Not my cup of tea, but each to their own and I enjoyed the experience.

Trying different religions like canapes at a party makes me laugh.

Each to their own but by previous post stands on it. Whilst some people convert later in life - the over whelming majority of theists are indoctrinated into the religion at a very early age.

I haven't tried different religions, but just try to have an understanding on them. That's all. Christianity is the only one I have tried, and as I said it wasn't for me.
Having an understanding on religion allows us to have a broader understanding to people's cultures and accept their cultures in a way, some at the news agency in Paris obviously didn't.
It also allows us the chance to know what can upset people or make some angry, as is happening with extremists.

Talking about upsetting people, I believe we had a run in on here and quite an ongoing battle for a while, where I took your way of posting as a personal vendetta on me. I'm sorry for anything I might have said back then, and I hope i didn't offend you..........much ;)

 

[Ricster]

I still don't understand how the victims in the supermarket took the piss out of Islam and hence deserved to die...can someone clear up the 'eye for an eye' explanation with regards to these people?

Obviously these extremists were running scared and knew their time was up. Unfortunately, being gunned down, by the Western world, allows these men to become significant to other up and coming extremists. If what happened at the news agency didn't happen, would we be talking about the supermarket.

I suppose what transpired was a knock on effect from what happened hours earlier. I'm not saying that it's the artists fault, I'm saying it led to a second attack. I can't believe the gunmen thought they would get away after the first attack, and then were backed into a corner to do a second attack