Shootings in Paris

[aguero93:20]

Perhaps we could all simply unite in vilifying murdering Islamic Jihadist scum?

We have, but after events like this the next logical step is usually to try and arrive at a solution to ensure shit like this is less likely to happen again in the future.

Do you have any input into this matter?, or are you still trapped behind enemy lines on the Internet battlefield in the fight against jihadists from behind your keyboard?.

you're right it would have been great to see moderate muslims marching in force to condemn these atrocities

you know, like they do when someone writes summat in a book that they don't like who clearly needs to be murdered as well the absolute swine

Thousands of Muslims, representatives of Muslim groups and Leaders of Islamic countries took part in the march in Paris and have gone on record to condemn the actions of the Jihadists, you've just chosen not to take any notice.

 

[Anonymous]

But any sensible person would agree that homosexuality being illegal was absurd and the law was rightfully changed over 50 years ago. Do you know anyone who believes that was not the right decision and shouldn't be the case worldwide. And presuming your answer is no surely 50 years is more than enough time to realise this.

I don't know anybody personally but I'm sure lots of people are still apposed to homosexuality, even religious people.

If there isn't any proof that it (homosexuality) is predisposed at birth then surely somebody could be apposed to it (homosexuality). I really don't know the research or findings into this matter. I think scientific views can and often do change or be revised upon new research and discovery.

We have to stop vilifying Islam as I feel this only adds to the problem and will ultimately push moderate Muslims towards extremism. Invading countries, bullshit wars and satire don't seem to be doing anything other than perpetuating the problem.

I would've preferred to see multi cultural marches side by side with our more moderate Muslims in the west as a show of defiance and solidarity, than a staged photo opportunity for our illustrious world leaders. Many of which are hypocrites of the highest order.

We have to wonder who benefits from all of this?.

Sorry. Are you saying you are not sure whether someone is born gay or chooses to be?

I'm not bothered either way, but as you ask, I am not aware of definitive evidence (that is universally accepted) that gives definitive proof that somebody is "born gay".

I wouldn't care to comment either way as this isn't what we're discussing in this thread. I would also have to do some serious research into the matter before commenting. I guess by definition I would find information relating to sexual preference (choice) and information relating to sexual orientation (predetermined). I never have done any serious research into this as it isn't a subject that has any bearing on my life.

 

[Anonymous]

Perhaps we could all simply unite in vilifying murdering Islamic Jihadist scum?

We have, but after events like this the next logical step is usually to try and arrive at a solution to ensure shit like this is less likely to happen again in the future.

Do you have any input into this matter?, or are you still trapped behind enemy lines on the Internet battlefield in the fight against jihadists from behind your keyboard?.

you're right it would have been great to see moderate muslims marching in force to condemn these atrocities

you know, like they do when someone writes summat in a book that they don't like who clearly needs to be murdered as well the absolute swine

I don't understand your point?.

 

[Anonymous]

There is no answer to this problem with these idiots. It will just roll on and on for decades of unrest. The problem is quite simple though but it's too late to rectify. We are not compatible. We were never meant to live together. It is impossible to reason with anybody who's life revolves around a book.

Do you honestly believe this?.

 

[johnmc]

I don't know anybody personally but I'm sure lots of people are still apposed to homosexuality, even religious people.

If there isn't any proof that it (homosexuality) is predisposed at birth then surely somebody could be apposed to it (homosexuality). I really don't know the research or findings into this matter. I think scientific views can and often do change or be revised upon new research and discovery.

We have to stop vilifying Islam as I feel this only adds to the problem and will ultimately push moderate Muslims towards extremism. Invading countries, bullshit wars and satire don't seem to be doing anything other than perpetuating the problem.

I would've preferred to see multi cultural marches side by side with our more moderate Muslims in the west as a show of defiance and solidarity, than a staged photo opportunity for our illustrious world leaders. Many of which are hypocrites of the highest order.

We have to wonder who benefits from all of this?.

Sorry. Are you saying you are not sure whether someone is born gay or chooses to be?

I'm not bothered either way, but as you ask, I am not aware of definitive evidence (that is universally accepted) that gives definitive proof that somebody is "born gay".

I wouldn't care to comment either way as this isn't what we're discussing in this thread. I would also have to do some serious research into the matter before commenting. I guess by definition I would find information relating to sexual preference (choice) and information relating to sexual orientation (predetermined). I never have done any serious research into this as it isn't a subject that has any bearing on my life.

Ok. It's off topic. But you really do not need to do any sort of research to know that you do not choose to be gay.

 

[Anonymous]

We have, but after events like this the next logical step is usually to try and arrive at a solution to ensure shit like this is less likely to happen again in the future.

Do you have any input into this matter?, or are you still trapped behind enemy lines on the Internet battlefield in the fight against jihadists from behind your keyboard?.

you're right it would have been great to see moderate muslims marching in force to condemn these atrocities

you know, like they do when someone writes summat in a book that they don't like who clearly needs to be murdered as well the absolute swine

Thousands of Muslims, representatives of Muslim groups and Leaders of Islamic countries took part in the march in Paris and have gone on record to condemn the actions of the Jihadists, you've just chosen not to take any notice.

I am aware of this. Did you think I didn't know there were Muslims present at the march in Paris?. I meant in the UK not in Paris. Like we did when we apposed Blair's wars.

 

[Anonymous]

Sorry. Are you saying you are not sure whether someone is born gay or chooses to be?

I'm not bothered either way, but as you ask, I am not aware of definitive evidence (that is universally accepted) that gives definitive proof that somebody is "born gay".

I wouldn't care to comment either way as this isn't what we're discussing in this thread. I would also have to do some serious research into the matter before commenting. I guess by definition I would find information relating to sexual preference (choice) and information relating to sexual orientation (predetermined). I never have done any serious research into this as it isn't a subject that has any bearing on my life.

Ok. It's off topic. But you really do not need to do any sort of research to know that you do not choose to be gay.

Ok, thanks for that. I guess I know now.

Homosexuality was brought up by another poster discussing gay clergy in the C of E, I used their example of homosexuality to show how attitudes change towards things with time and understanding.

I wasn't viewing sexuality the same as religious preference.

Just thought I'd clear that up.

 

[aguero93:20]

you're right it would have been great to see moderate muslims marching in force to condemn these atrocities

you know, like they do when someone writes summat in a book that they don't like who clearly needs to be murdered as well the absolute swine

Thousands of Muslims, representatives of Muslim groups and Leaders of Islamic countries took part in the march in Paris and have gone on record to condemn the actions of the Jihadists, you've just chosen not to take any notice.

I am aware of this. Did you think I didn't know there were Muslims present at the march in Paris?. I meant in the UK not in Paris. Like we did when we apposed Blair's wars.

That was aimed at Balti, not you mate, but in the case of Muslims in the UK prominent figures have spoken out against what happened (and one arsehole in London made a prick of himself) as for marching? They could well have without my knowledge, from my personal experience the media tend to pretend events don't exist if they don't fit their narrative.

 

[jayblue]

There is no answer to this problem with these idiots. It will just roll on and on for decades of unrest. The problem is quite simple though but it's too late to rectify. We are not compatible. We were never meant to live together. It is impossible to reason with anybody who's life revolves around a book.

Do you honestly believe this?.

Yes I do. Too many cultural differences. It's gonna get worse.

 

[Anonymous]

Thousands of Muslims, representatives of Muslim groups and Leaders of Islamic countries took part in the march in Paris and have gone on record to condemn the actions of the Jihadists, you've just chosen not to take any notice.

I am aware of this. Did you think I didn't know there were Muslims present at the march in Paris?. I meant in the UK not in Paris. Like we did when we apposed Blair's wars.

That was aimed at Balti, not you mate, but in the case of Muslims in the UK prominent figures have spoken out against what happened (and one arsehole in London made a prick of himself) as for marching? They could well have without my knowledge, from my personal experience the media tend to pretend events don't exist if they don't fit their narrative.

Ah sorry mate crossed wires. ;-)

I get their narrative. Unfortunately.

 

[Anonymous]

There is no answer to this problem with these idiots. It will just roll on and on for decades of unrest. The problem is quite simple though but it's too late to rectify. We are not compatible. We were never meant to live together. It is impossible to reason with anybody who's life revolves around a book.

Do you honestly believe this?.

Yes I do. Too many cultural differences. It's gonna get worse.

We may as well just sack it off then.

Hopefully our children will intermarry with theirs and laugh at the world as it is now.

 

[jayblue]

Do you honestly believe this?.

Yes I do. Too many cultural differences. It's gonna get worse.

We may as well just sack it off then.

You said it. The horse bolted years ago.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

There is no answer to this problem with these idiots. It will just roll on and on for decades of unrest. The problem is quite simple though but it's too late to rectify. We are not compatible. We were never meant to live together. It is impossible to reason with anybody who's life revolves around a book.

Do you honestly believe this?.

Yes I do. Too many cultural differences. It's gonna get worse.

If you live in Manchester you live in one of the most culturally diverse cities in the world. People of all sorts of colours, from a host of different countries, racial groups and cultures, who follow all the main religions. Amazingly, it works pretty well largely because everyone gets on with their own lives in the way they want with no one forced to do something they don't want to do. We all respect each other, by and large, and shouldn't let the actions of a few psychopaths blind us to that fact.

 

[johnmc]

Do you honestly believe this?.

Yes I do. Too many cultural differences. It's gonna get worse.

If you live in Manchester you live in one of the most culturally diverse cities in the world. People of all sorts of colours, from a host of different countries, racial groups and cultures, who follow all the main religions. Amazingly, it works pretty well largely because everyone gets on with their own lives in the way they want with no one forced to do something they don't want to do. We all respect each other, by and large, and shouldn't let the actions of a few psychopaths blind us to that fact.

However it would only take one incident to tip the balance as we have seen in the not too distant past.

 

[TCIB]

Do you honestly believe this?.

Yes I do. Too many cultural differences. It's gonna get worse.

We may as well just sack it off then.

Hopefully our children will intermarry with theirs and laugh at the world as it is now.

Make sure the muslim girls parents are not keen on that noble islamic tradition of honor killing then eh.

 

[jayblue]

Do you honestly believe this?.

Yes I do. Too many cultural differences. It's gonna get worse.

If you live in Manchester you live in one of the most culturally diverse cities in the world. People of all sorts of colours, from a host of different countries, racial groups and cultures, who follow all the main religions. Amazingly, it works pretty well largely because everyone gets on with their own lives in the way they want with no one forced to do something they don't want to do. We all respect each other, by and large, and shouldn't let the actions of a few psychopaths blind us to that fact.

I agree. Unfortunately with this lot it looks like the lunatics are running the asylum. You cannot reason with someone who thinks it's morally right to hack someone's head off with a blunt butter knife because you don't believe in their comic of choice.

 

[mackenzie]

Do you honestly believe this?.

Yes I do. Too many cultural differences. It's gonna get worse.

If you live in Manchester you live in one of the most culturally diverse cities in the world. People of all sorts of colours, from a host of different countries, racial groups and cultures, who follow all the main religions. Amazingly, it works pretty well largely because everyone gets on with their own lives in the way they want with no one forced to do something they don't want to do. We all respect each other, by and large, and shouldn't let the actions of a few psychopaths blind us to that fact.

Really well said PB.

 

[Anonymous]

Do you honestly believe this?.

Yes I do. Too many cultural differences. It's gonna get worse.

If you live in Manchester you live in one of the most culturally diverse cities in the world. People of all sorts of colours, from a host of different countries, racial groups and cultures, who follow all the main religions. Amazingly, it works pretty well largely because everyone gets on with their own lives in the way they want with no one forced to do something they don't want to do. We all respect each other, by and large, and shouldn't let the actions of a few psychopaths blind us to that fact.

PB as with many of your posts on this thread, this is so true.

I have always felt my Mancunian upbringing was a blessing. Exposed to many different races, cultures and religions. It makes for a better world, I would have hated an insular upbringing.

 

[Balti]

We have, but after events like this the next logical step is usually to try and arrive at a solution to ensure shit like this is less likely to happen again in the future.

Do you have any input into this matter?, or are you still trapped behind enemy lines on the Internet battlefield in the fight against jihadists from behind your keyboard?.

you're right it would have been great to see moderate muslims marching in force to condemn these atrocities

you know, like they do when someone writes summat in a book that they don't like who clearly needs to be murdered as well the absolute swine

Thousands of Muslims, representatives of Muslim groups and Leaders of Islamic countries took part in the march in Paris and have gone on record to condemn the actions of the Jihadists, you've just chosen not to take any notice.

And yet the apologists still try to blame freedom of expression and the liberal laws that we all enjoy in the west rather than recognising any fault in Islam when clearly Islam spawns far more murdering extremist scumbags than any other religion today and the nutters clearly murder in the name of that religion.

That's the issue and as for suggesting a solution it seems to me that moderate muslims are the only ones who can work out a way as to how to deal with their own religion's extremist problem, and that they need to be seen to be doing so.

Simply suggesting that the rest of us have to change or the problem will get worse [wink] aint gonna cut it.

 

[aguero93:20]

you're right it would have been great to see moderate muslims marching in force to condemn these atrocities

you know, like they do when someone writes summat in a book that they don't like who clearly needs to be murdered as well the absolute swine

Thousands of Muslims, representatives of Muslim groups and Leaders of Islamic countries took part in the march in Paris and have gone on record to condemn the actions of the Jihadists, you've just chosen not to take any notice.

And yet the apologists still try to blame freedom of expression and the liberal laws that we all enjoy in the west rather than recognising any fault in Islam when clearly Islam spawns far more murdering extremist scumbags than any other religion today and the nutters clearly murder in the name of that religion.

That's the issue and as for suggesting a solution it seems to me that moderate muslims are the only ones who can work out a way as to how to deal with their own religion's extremist problem, and that they need to be seen to be doing so.

Simply suggesting that the rest of us have to change or the problem will get worse [wink] aint gonna cut it.

Yet again you're ignorant of the subject. The Islamic community of a whole have done and are doing everything to combat it, you just choose to ignore it.