ElanJo
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Re: Should Fee-Paying Public Schools be abolished?
An Independent school.
JoeMercer'sWay said:
An Independent school.
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Should Fee-Paying Private(?) Schools be abolished?
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JoeMercer'sWay
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Re: Should Fee-Paying Public Schools be abolished?
isn't that a private school?ElanJo said:JoeMercer'sWay said:what's a fee paying public school?
An Independent school.
Re: Should Fee-Paying Public Schools be abolished?
They're actually doing state schools a favour- their parents still pay their taxes, (and are high rate tax payers), but their children do not use any state education resources.
The same goes for private health care, if rich people want to pay their taxes for the NHS, but never use it, all the better. More resources for everybody who does use it.
They're actually doing state schools a favour- their parents still pay their taxes, (and are high rate tax payers), but their children do not use any state education resources.
The same goes for private health care, if rich people want to pay their taxes for the NHS, but never use it, all the better. More resources for everybody who does use it.
Re: Should Fee-Paying Public Schools be abolished?
I dont think they're both quite comparable.
When someone else uses private health care, that isn't making my public health care any worse, in education students are competing against each other for uni places/jobs/knowledge/a life - private schools do actively hinder the education of those in state schools. Parents money that goes into private schools could be going into the local state school. It's not quite the same in health care, you dont make quite such an investment, and Im not (normally) using the results of my health care to compete with others. Private health care just provides a shorter waiting time, not the foundations for your whole life.
I think they make the wider community worse off, they should be stripped of all state privileges, and generally be thought of as shit places, where making money is the aim of the game. Banning them isnt needed.
smiles said:They're actually doing state schools a favour- their parents still pay their taxes, (and are high rate tax payers), but their children do not use any state education resources.
The same goes for private health care, if rich people want to pay their taxes for the NHS, but never use it, all the better. More resources for everybody who does use it.
I dont think they're both quite comparable.
When someone else uses private health care, that isn't making my public health care any worse, in education students are competing against each other for uni places/jobs/knowledge/a life - private schools do actively hinder the education of those in state schools. Parents money that goes into private schools could be going into the local state school. It's not quite the same in health care, you dont make quite such an investment, and Im not (normally) using the results of my health care to compete with others. Private health care just provides a shorter waiting time, not the foundations for your whole life.
I think they make the wider community worse off, they should be stripped of all state privileges, and generally be thought of as shit places, where making money is the aim of the game. Banning them isnt needed.
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Re: Should Fee-Paying Public Schools be abolished?
No but i'd certainly ban religious schools.
No but i'd certainly ban religious schools.
Re: Should Fee-Paying Public Schools be abolished?
Yep!
bluemoon32 said:No but i'd certainly ban religious schools.
Yep!
metalblue
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Re: Should Fee-Paying Public Schools be abolished?
The standard of education is the same no matter where you are educated, it's the quality and values that can differ (and possibly not in a good number of cases) which is typically down to a percentage of incompetent teachers (who keep their job no matter how bad they are) or a number of parents who have low aspirations for their offspring coupled with teachers not being able to give them a clip round the ear anymore so they disrupt the rest, these are the things which should be tackled not look at private schools and think "that's unfair, whaaaaaay, close them down" that's like seeing a 10 sprinters lined up for a race and one has a broken leg so to make it "fair" the other 9 have their legs broken.
The standard of education is the same no matter where you are educated, it's the quality and values that can differ (and possibly not in a good number of cases) which is typically down to a percentage of incompetent teachers (who keep their job no matter how bad they are) or a number of parents who have low aspirations for their offspring coupled with teachers not being able to give them a clip round the ear anymore so they disrupt the rest, these are the things which should be tackled not look at private schools and think "that's unfair, whaaaaaay, close them down" that's like seeing a 10 sprinters lined up for a race and one has a broken leg so to make it "fair" the other 9 have their legs broken.
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Re: Should Fee-Paying Public Schools be abolished?
Yes yes and yes.
They're elitist and the fact that the standard of education is dependant on how much money your parents have is, in this day and age, embarrassing.
Yes yes and yes.
They're elitist and the fact that the standard of education is dependant on how much money your parents have is, in this day and age, embarrassing.
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Re: Should Fee-Paying Public Schools be abolished?
Independent schools do not receive funds from the government or local authorities. They charge school fees (some scholarships may be available for the brightest pupils or for children from poorer families: see below). The schools select pupils according to ability by using an entrance exam. Schools are often single-sex boys schools or girls schools, although many boys schools accept girls in the sixth form (between the ages of 16 and 18). Many of the schools accept a mixture of full boarders (who live in the school grounds during term-time), weekly boarders (who return home only at weekends) and dayboys/daygirls (who return home each evening), but some are only for day pupils.
A preparatory school (usually called a prep school) is a school to prepare pupils to go to a public school. Boys often enter such schools aged about 8 and girls aged about 11. The entrance exams used by most public schools are known as Common Entrance exams and are taken at the age of 13. Some public schools have their own prep schools as well as the senior school, but students from other prep schools can apply to the senior school. Many prep schools belong to an association known as the Incorporated Association of Preparatory Schools (IAPS)
A public school is an independent secondary school which is a charity (not profit-making) and which belongs to one of the public school associations, the largest of which are the Headmasters' Conference (HMC) and the Girls' School Association (GSA). The expression "public school" can be confusing: in many countries other than England a "public school" is a school which is run by the government, which is not the case with these schools. In England the term private school is used to refer to any school which is run to make a profit. Among the most famous public schools are Eton, Harrow and Winchester.
JoeMercer'sWay said:isn't that a private school?ElanJo said:An Independent school.
Independent schools do not receive funds from the government or local authorities. They charge school fees (some scholarships may be available for the brightest pupils or for children from poorer families: see below). The schools select pupils according to ability by using an entrance exam. Schools are often single-sex boys schools or girls schools, although many boys schools accept girls in the sixth form (between the ages of 16 and 18). Many of the schools accept a mixture of full boarders (who live in the school grounds during term-time), weekly boarders (who return home only at weekends) and dayboys/daygirls (who return home each evening), but some are only for day pupils.
A preparatory school (usually called a prep school) is a school to prepare pupils to go to a public school. Boys often enter such schools aged about 8 and girls aged about 11. The entrance exams used by most public schools are known as Common Entrance exams and are taken at the age of 13. Some public schools have their own prep schools as well as the senior school, but students from other prep schools can apply to the senior school. Many prep schools belong to an association known as the Incorporated Association of Preparatory Schools (IAPS)
A public school is an independent secondary school which is a charity (not profit-making) and which belongs to one of the public school associations, the largest of which are the Headmasters' Conference (HMC) and the Girls' School Association (GSA). The expression "public school" can be confusing: in many countries other than England a "public school" is a school which is run by the government, which is not the case with these schools. In England the term private school is used to refer to any school which is run to make a profit. Among the most famous public schools are Eton, Harrow and Winchester.