Should Fee-Paying Private(?) Schools be abolished?

[alera]

Re: Should Fee-Paying Public Schools be abolished?

I see we have we still have a few idiots from the John Prescott School of thought

"I went to a crap school so why should anyone else have a decent education ?"

We used to have the best secondary education system in the world but the Labour party ruined that. It was the one opportunity for intelligent working class kids to get a decent education and acheive their potential. If you were clever enough you got in.

What some people can never seem to understand is education is meritocracy. Manchester Grammer and similar schools give countless bursaries to gifted kinds whose parents cant afford to pay.

Its fortunate that the majority of people in this country are not so small minded and backwards thinking.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Re: Should Fee-Paying Public Schools be abolished?

isn't that a private school?

Independent schools do not receive funds from the government or local authorities. They charge school fees (some scholarships may be available for the brightest pupils or for children from poorer families: see below). The schools select pupils according to ability by using an entrance exam. Schools are often single-sex boys schools or girls schools, although many boys schools accept girls in the sixth form (between the ages of 16 and 18). Many of the schools accept a mixture of full boarders (who live in the school grounds during term-time), weekly boarders (who return home only at weekends) and dayboys/daygirls (who return home each evening), but some are only for day pupils.

A preparatory school (usually called a prep school) is a school to prepare pupils to go to a public school. Boys often enter such schools aged about 8 and girls aged about 11. The entrance exams used by most public schools are known as Common Entrance exams and are taken at the age of 13. Some public schools have their own prep schools as well as the senior school, but students from other prep schools can apply to the senior school. Many prep schools belong to an association known as the Incorporated Association of Preparatory Schools (IAPS)

A public school is an independent secondary school which is a charity (not profit-making) and which belongs to one of the public school associations, the largest of which are the Headmasters' Conference (HMC) and the Girls' School Association (GSA). The expression "public school" can be confusing: in many countries other than England a "public school" is a school which is run by the government, which is not the case with these schools. In England the term private school is used to refer to any school which is run to make a profit. Among the most famous public schools are Eton, Harrow and Winchester.

Well I went to an all boys prep and a mixed independent school...

so when do you want to lynch me?

 

[brass neck]

Re: Should Fee-Paying Public Schools be abolished?

there is no mystery as to why a very small percentage of pupils from a demographic that is minute occupy the vast majority of top jobs in the country. When was the last time you heard a chief exec of a big corporation speaking with a scouse, manc, Geordie, Glaswegian, Bristol accent? Or when was the last time you heard a big wig in the armed forces with a cockney accent?

Posh school pay a lip service to people from poorer backgrounds but pretty much top and bottom line is the top schools (Eton Harrow etc) are for the historically rich and the medium schools like Bolton School in my town are for the upper/middle class.

In my town, if you want a good education for your kids, you have three choices. 1, Have enough money to get your kids into Bolton School, 2, Go to church and gain entrance into Cannon Slade (the local church school), 3, manage to get outside the area like some kids up Blackburn Road and in Horwich can.

All of the other high schools are a underfunded disgrace. Sharples, West Houghton, Smithills, Rivington, Ladybridge, Mount St Joe's, George Toms (so bad they renamed it) Little Leaver Hayward school (so bad they renamed it) Turton apparently is not to bad as is St Joes (but you have to be Catholic to get in there) Thornleigh. In all those schools behavior is uncontrollable and many pupils educations are ruined by teachers being off stressed, pupils ruining every lesson and buildings falling apart.

The top percent of earners in this country can pay for a great education, small class sizes, 15-17 kids, discipline (amazing how well kids behave when daddy is paying thousands of pounds a year to send them to school) and school can jsut say...goodbye if kids refuse to conform.

The middle to lower earners have to be content sending their kids to a dilapidated building, staffed by despondent teachers, in classes of 30+ who cant be controlled because the liberal nutters have installed a horrible climate of fear among teachers to take assertive action. Its a big struggle to even kick kids out of school these days and if you do, guess who has to find them somewhere else to go? The parents?....nnnnaaaaaaaaaa, the local authority!!

 

[peoffrey]

Re: Should Fee-Paying Public Schools be abolished?

there is no mystery as to why a very small percentage of pupils from a demographic that is minute occupy the vast majority of top jobs in the country. When was the last time you heard a chief exec of a big corporation speaking with a scouse, manc, Geordie, Glaswegian, Bristol accent? Or when was the last time you heard a big wig in the armed forces with a cockney accent?

Alan Sugar? He might as well be selling Fruit & Veg.

You're appearing to be a snob. You don't need to speak with an accent to come from anywhere or to be firmly on the ground.

 

[peoffrey]

Re: Should Fee-Paying Public Schools be abolished?

there is no mystery as to why a very small percentage of pupils from a demographic that is minute occupy the vast majority of top jobs in the country. When was the last time you heard a chief exec of a big corporation speaking with a scouse, manc, Geordie, Glaswegian, Bristol accent? Or when was the last time you heard a big wig in the armed forces with a cockney accent?

Alan Sugar? He might as well be selling Fruit & Veg.

You're appearing to be an inverted snob. You don't need to speak with an accent to come from anywhere or to be firmly on the ground.

 

[brass neck]

Re: Should Fee-Paying Public Schools be abolished?

there is no mystery as to why a very small percentage of pupils from a demographic that is minute occupy the vast majority of top jobs in the country. When was the last time you heard a chief exec of a big corporation speaking with a scouse, manc, Geordie, Glaswegian, Bristol accent? Or when was the last time you heard a big wig in the armed forces with a cockney accent?

Alan Sugar? He might as well be selling Fruit & Veg.

You're appearing to be an inverted snob. You don't need to speak with an accent to come from anywhere or to be firmly on the ground.

For every self made Alan Sugar, ill show you 500 family made privately educated toffs running the biggest businesses in the country.

 

[lloydie]

Re: Should Fee-Paying Public Schools be abolished?

I see we have we still have a few idiots from the John Prescott School of thought

Pointless insult, making an assumption with no evidence to support your assertion.

"I went to a crap school so why should anyone else have a decent education ?"

Again no evidence and a straw man argument to boot. For the record, Grammar Shool and "Red Brick" University for me.

We used to have the best secondary education system in the world but the Labour party ruined that. It was the one opportunity for intelligent working class kids to get a decent education and acheive their potential. If you were clever enough you got in.

Nostalgic, tub-thumping nonsense, someone told you that Great Britain was great once and you swallowed it.

What some people can never seem to understand is education is meritocracy. Manchester Grammer and similar schools give countless bursaries to gifted kinds whose parents cant afford to pay.

I'm pretty sure you could count them even with a rudimentary education in Maths, and Education is not a meritocracy by any definition of that word.

Its fortunate that the majority of people in this country are not so small minded and backwards thinking.

You claim to speak for the majority with what authority? It beggars belief that you want to return to a system consigned to History because of it's failure and accuse others of going backwards.

I wont even bother doing the Grammar Police thing on your spelling and punctuation

 

[peoffrey]

Re: Should Fee-Paying Public Schools be abolished?

For every self made Alan Sugar, ill show you 500 family made privately educated toffs running the biggest businesses in the country.

The money must have been made at some point in the process from someone.

 

[brass neck]

Re: Should Fee-Paying Public Schools be abolished?

For every self made Alan Sugar, ill show you 500 family made privately educated toffs running the biggest businesses in the country.

The money must have been made at some point in the process from someone.

which money. The family money. Thats been passed down from generation to generation, much of it was originally made by ripping off the working man, then by slavery, then by robbing the world through the empire. Money was built up and built up and is handed down so if your born in the right house....to the right family your kids and their kids and their kids are guaranteed a nice life. Education will always be great for the posh.

 

[alera]

Re: Should Fee-Paying Public Schools be abolished?

What a load of communist rubbish. Everyone has to be the same, no one can excel, no one can be better than anyone else.

Keep in mind death duty, family money doesn’t really exist unless you want to leave the country. 40% of it goes every generation which is why most of the stately homes over 1800 in total were torn down over the last 70 years.

Like I said it’s the old policy on envy, I had a crap education so why should anyone have a decent one ? My granddad came from the highlands from a very poor family the same on the other side of the family.

A Grammar school education meant he could become a doctor a surgeon a professor - that opportunity has been denied to most of the country because of people like you. That is the real disgrace. Small minded backwards thinking people.

The Labour party and its supporters destroyed this country. They ripped down the Grammer school system based on merit then complained when the inclusive schools they created were crap - no one wants to go to them and fight for their lives to get into the areas where they remain. You reap what you sow.