Size of Celtic and Rangers compared to top English clubs

deano ou812 said:
Need to be careful mate,Hun is seen as a derogatory term for Protestant’s..but your absolutely correct about the bigoted part ..
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No it’s not. It’s a term describing Rangers fans of all faiths. Rangers fans seem to think because they are Rangers fans they are also Prodestants (yes, some do spell it that way) I have known many over the years. I knew one who refused to be support Scotland in the opening WC game in 98 due to the amount of “Fenians” in the tea, So he came into pub with a brazil top on, this is how smart some Huns are ( he never went to church, ever, and considers himself a staunch proddy)
 
BobbyJohnstone said:
No it’s not. It’s a term describing Rangers fans of all faiths. Rangers fans seem to think because they are Rangers fans they are also Prodestants (yes, some do spell it that way) I have known many over the years. I knew one who refused to be support Scotland in the opening WC game in 98 due to the amount of “Fenians” in the tea, So he came into pub with a brazil top on, this is how smart some Huns are ( he never went to church, ever, and considers himself a staunch proddy)
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Not where I’m from it’s used to describe Protestants ..
 
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deano ou812 said:
Not where I’m from it’s used to describe Protestants ..
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And where are you from. I know scores of Ulster Prods, not one considers Hun a term describing them. I don’t know anyone who uses that term to describe anyone who is a Protestant. Unless you live around a lot of very idiotic Celtc fans, if so, my deepest sympathies.
 
kun said:
How do you compare "size"?

Financially? They are Championship level
Footballing quality? Lower Premier League/Championship level
Support? Up there with the top PL clubs
International recognition? Midtable Premier League level
Historic achievement? Up there with the top PL clubs
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Perfect assessment.
Worth saying too that nobody but nobody suggested a European Super League would be incomplete without (either of) these two.
So potential return on investment? Not even Championship level (because there's no golden ticket to the Premier League).
WestGorton said:
In terms of support they are huge. Liverpool and United would superseded if there was a British League as Ireland would switch. That's why there won't be a British League to protect the rags and dippers.
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I'm not convinced this is true. (Or at least as true as it once was). I can only speak anecdotally but, in my experience, the post Good Friday Agreement generation have rather less enthusiasm for the baggage of bigotry than old farts like me had. (Thankfully).
Mancity1980 said:
I heard that whilst Irish and Scottish Americans are large in number in the States, the English Americans are more numerous but less admitted to!
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Apparently, German heritage was by far the most widespread amongst white "settlers".
You must be right though. It only stands to reason that there would be more English than Irish or Scottish (or combined, even).
Presumably, the World Wars made claiming German ancestry unpopular. As for English ancestry...

White Americans (I think it's fair to say) love to focus on their forefathers' survival instincts, true grit and how they pulled themselves up by their bootstraps etc. etc. (This is especially true amongst the more racist elements of White America but by no means exclusive to them).

Therefore, the whole Angela's Ashes narrative (for example) became a more attractive go-to for Average Joe White America than having English blood.

They're an insular race with a shamefully neglected education system (until there's a profit to he made at Third Level). Most of their impressions of the wider world come from Film and TV. As as far as many are concerned, all English people spend all day, pinching China teacup handles and passing sardonic observations. There's no glory in being descended from that (supposed) circumstance while working a dead-end 9 to 5 today.
The corollary of this is if you ever spend time in upper Manhattan, you'll find some very wealthy Americans who boast of their English ancestry.
That's my theory, anyway.
 
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I remember in the early 70`s I`m sure celtic were described as the biggest club in the world with more followers than any other club worldwide
 
I think the levels of their support is overstated when you see their TV viewing figures compared to even a run of the mill English league 1 match. A lot of hype and a lot of OTT marketing -they're by a distance the two biggest clubs up here but that's as far as it goes.
 
BobbyJohnstone said:
No it’s not. It’s a term describing Rangers fans of all faiths. Rangers fans seem to think because they are Rangers fans they are also Prodestants (yes, some do spell it that way) I have known many over the years. I knew one who refused to be support Scotland in the opening WC game in 98 due to the amount of “Fenians” in the tea, So he came into pub with a brazil top on, this is how smart some Huns are ( he never went to church, ever, and considers himself a staunch proddy)



Yes It is. If it's just Rangers fans why is it also used for other clubs.
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Betterdeedthan red said:
Support wise.
Absolutely massive .
As big as any Club in the world especially celtic.
But they play in a pointless tin pot league
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Are they? They don’t register in the Top 11 for shirt sales worldwide

www.totalsportal.com

10 Clubs With Highest Shirts Sales: Manchester United lead the charts yet again even with mediocre season on the pitch.

Bayern Munich Tops The Football Clubs With Highest Shirt Sold List by selling 3.25m Kits. Real Madrid's Highest Shirt Sold count is 3.05m.
www.totalsportal.com www.totalsportal.com
 
There used to be some feisty Altrincham Sunday league derbies between Pelican Celtic and Pelican Rangers back in the day.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Are they? They don’t register in the Top 11 for shirt sales worldwide

www.totalsportal.com

10 Clubs With Highest Shirts Sales: Manchester United lead the charts yet again even with mediocre season on the pitch.

Bayern Munich Tops The Football Clubs With Highest Shirt Sold List by selling 3.25m Kits. Real Madrid's Highest Shirt Sold count is 3.05m.
www.totalsportal.com www.totalsportal.com
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They both have strong local support but little overseas interest, I imagine. Due to being in a nothing league and being crap I suppose, not necessarily in that order. Could change in a better league with some investment, but that isn't going to happen.
 
Rangers and Celtic have a loyal worldwide fanbase, go to a lot of cities and tourist resorts in the world and you'll be able to find a Rangers or Celtic bar, but that popularity worldwide is mostly due to ex pats.

Because of the league they are in, they just didn't explode when the EPL did, so you won't see millions of locals in Africa, Asia Scandanavia etc supporting them, wearing their shirts or following then on feckin Facebook or Instagram the same way the top English teams do.
 
GunnerGer said:
Rangers and Celtic have a loyal worldwide fanbase, go to a lot of cities and tourist resorts in the world and you'll be able to find a Rangers or Celtic bar, but that popularity worldwide is mostly due to ex pats.

Because of the league they are in, they just didn't explode when the EPL did, so you won't see millions of locals in Africa, Asia Scandanavia etc supporting them, wearing their shirts or following then on feckin Facebook or Instagram the same way the top English teams do.
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Rangers and especially Celtic were huge abroad in the 1960s,70s, and 80s, in countries with strong Irish/Scottish heritage communities. But that generation has died off now and their children in places like Canada mostly follow English football. Both clubs haven't helped themselves off the pitch. It is very difficult to market businesses with such sectarian baggage. This has held them back and another problem is the decline in Scottish football. Very few people watch it.
 
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