Slavery

[Stephen230]

I've no idea whether he's American or not but he does say it was lifted from a newspaper or article and i'll take what he says as true without proof otherwise, in context of what he was relating to that's probably the bit in there that may have been relevant to what he was trying to get across that in no way can us alive today be anyway responsible for the sins of our long dead ancestors. Maybe you're right in unfortunate choice of wording but probably not in the unlightened 1800s.

I’m absolutely sure that word and lot worse were common place in the 1800s.

I’ll shut up about it after this post. The only other thing I’d say is that if I was quoting a solitary word that I would never use myself, I would make at least some effort to make sure that was clear.

 

[Magicpole]

When I was growing up as a kid at school in Glasgow, we learned about the Tobacco Barons and many streets etc are named after them and their trade. They never, ever mentioned these same cunts where Slave Traders. Turns out us Scots where balls deep in the whole sick enterprise.

History is history. Ours should be taught as it was, not how we all want it to be. I knew more about our Empire and it’s consequences, but nothing about our being the top of the tree at it.

We can’t change the past, but I do think an apology is fine. We aren’t responsible, but our country is, it is a stain and although it can never be removed, or should it, we have to let people know we now as a country are sorry we once treated human beings like this.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Let's not name the Town's, Cities or Counties, this is total nonsense, Let's just name the names of the people who made profit of the peoples misery.

All my great Grandmothers worked in the mill you leave them out of this :-)

 

[Debaser]

The Manchester Guardian: the limits of liberalism in the kingdom of cotton | Michael Taylor

Manchester’s liberal establishment backed the abolition of British slavery – but their wealth depended on the labour of enslaved Africans in the United States

www.theguardian.com

On the attitudes of mancs through slavery. Knew it was wrong then, know it is wrong now.

 

[MCFCTrick]

All slavery is clearly abhorrent. The enslavement of black Afrians was just one of countless instances throughout human history. Sadly that's one of our species many downsides.
I was told about this by a local during a holiday in Cornwall/Devon ... looked into it a good deal since. Just another example of such that goes mostly ignored. As close to home as the Roman enslavement here, and scarily a lot more recent in the great scheme of things...

The Cornish generations captured and sold into Barbary slave trade

Dozens of people commented on Cornwall Live's recent stories about racism to say that Cornwall also suffered from slavery

www.cornwalllive.com

 

[Deleted member 77198]

All slavery is clearly abhorrent. The enslavement of black Afrians was just one of countless instances throughout human history. Sadly that's one of our species many downsides.
I was told about this by a local during a holiday in Cornwall/Devon ... looked into it a good deal since. Just another example of such that goes mostly ignored. As close to home as the Roman enslavement here, and scarily a lot more recent in the great scheme of things...

The Cornish generations captured and sold into Barbary slave trade

Dozens of people commented on Cornwall Live's recent stories about racism to say that Cornwall also suffered from slavery

www.cornwalllive.com

You won’t find many peoples on Earth who haven’t been both slavers and also slaves. Pretty much every nation has been a conqueror and been conquered n’all.

After the English Civil War, many English Catholics were sold into the African slave trade by Cromwell.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

When I was growing up as a kid at school in Glasgow, we learned about the Tobacco Barons and many streets etc are named after them and their trade. They never, ever mentioned these same cunts where Slave Traders. Turns out us Scots where balls deep in the whole sick enterprise.

History is history. Ours should be taught as it was, not how we all want it to be. I knew more about our Empire and it’s consequences, but nothing about our being the top of the tree at it.

We can’t change the past, but I do think an apology is fine. We aren’t responsible, but our country is, it is a stain and although it can never be removed, or should it, we have to let people know we now as a country are sorry we once treated human beings like this.

It’s also not taught that there was a long established slave trade within Africa millennia before Europeans went there and that the slaves that the British bought were already slaves of other African empires.

Britain just became another country for those running that slave trade in Africa to do business with.

The biggest slaver and slave trader of all time was a black African called Tipu Tipp.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Completed in 2026..........what a waste of money.

They're studying a relationship from history when attitudes and way of life were very different to today. Many things, and not just slavery, were wrong by today's standards.

You can't erase history, although many appear to be trying hard to do so.

Instead of trying to remove it, we should be exposing all areas of it and learning from what was done, not running around blaming and apologizing for it.

Commercial slavery has gone on as far back in history as you want to go, why the emphasis on 'black slavery' from years ago............shouldn't the emphasis be on tackling the slavery and human trafficking going on in todays world, or doesn't that fit nicely into a political/social agenda.

I don't understand all this apologizing for things done generations before us. By todays standards, it's rightly abhorrent, but not back then. Am I to expect an apology from Italy because the jolly ol' Romans took some of my ancestors as slaves? How far do we go back, only as far as Africans?

Commercial slavery has been a business throughout the world, throughout time.

The focus should be on today's slavery, because that we can do something about, we can't when it was committed 200 years ago!!

We shouldn't be accountable for what past generations did.

A relative of mine emigrated over to the US in the 1800's. He was shot dead, his money stolen and he and his store doused with kerosene and set alight.
Two negroes were responsible. Am I to expect an apology from their families for what these two people did?
I find it hard to understand how they could be responsible in any way for something that was done by people they didn't know, in a different era of time.

as per my previous post looks like your compo claim to Rome's far right leader over Pod and Hengist your abducted ancestors will have to be made in Italian..... good luck

Daily Star Front Page 7th of April 2023 - Tomorrow's Papers Today!

The Daily Star reports that Renegade Italian politicians are telling their citizens to stop using English words/

www.tomorrowspapers.co.uk

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Some really enlightening comments in this thread which shows the failure of our education system when it comes to the slave trade.

I found the comparison to the Holocaust quite apt as both constitute two of the most abhorrent episodes in human history. The interesting thing is how from a British perspective we fought against the Nazis and have an education system which outlines their atrocities.

Yet, the reverse is true when it comes to the slave trade. I know in a lot of schools more time is given to Britain’s role in the abolition of slavery than it is to its actual role in it. Likewise, the British Empire is often seen as the high point of British success, ignoring the role slavery and colonialism played in it.

Anything which allows us to learn more about Britain’s role in slavery is surely a good thing.

I would agree about your curriculum in education and have my own views regarding your teaching of school history regarding the paragraph which is dedicated to your involvement in Ireland compared to what I was taught about Irish history, which although I admit was highly subjective or perhaps emotive, covered English history extensively.

I listened to the news of Charles being in favour of this investigation into slavery with mixed emotions.
I don’t know whether it is genuine or not but do think it is right to draw your nation’s attention collectively to past indiscretions.
Are you culpable for the sins of your fathers?
No. I don’t think so. But neither can you bury your heads in the sand and learn nothing from it.

If we don’t learn from the past we risk repeating it. And time and time again history has been repeated.

Someone mentioned the holocaust.
Do we hold modern Germany responsible? There’s a question. I’m sure there are merits to all arguments around that issue.
But let’s be clear. The Nazis didn’t invent ethnic cleansing and just because it’s more recent and immediate to people in Britain now, it doesn’t mean that you can put a time limit on how far back in history you want to learn from.


You are where you are because of where you came from. All nations are.

 

[RadcliffeRick]

Rather than spend money looking at something that cannot be changed, why not spend it looking at what can be changed, health, education, housing, services ............