So then...Scudamoes comments about the premier league..

[Pigeonho]

My point being that just because somebody says they support one team doesn't disqualify them from having a bias towards/against another being completely ignored there I see.

Not ignored. I'm thinking of it from my own point of view, i'm a City fan and have no bias towards anyone else, and i'm sure it counts the same for you. Why would it not count the same for Scudamore, a fan of a 'smaller' club? Infact in the main you tend to find those who support the smaller clubs can't fucking stand the big clubs, so why would he have a bias towards any other team than his own?

COMMERCIAL INTEREST OF THE ORGANISATION HE'S CEO OF
Come on Pidge, you're intelligent.

That's entirely different to the initial point raised about him being a rag twat, or sounding like he's a rag twat as i've since been corrected on.

-- Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:55 pm --

Which is the point.

He wouldn't have known in August they were this bad, he probably wouldn't have known the affect on the PL either as they have never finished outside the top 3 for so long so why write a letter then?

Lets be honest have you never seen them benefit from "refs randomly sending off opposition players and awarding inexplicable penalties for them". We also saw another not awarded in the same match, it could have been 4. I did see a team that should have had 2 players sent off but didn't in the City match.

Which brings me to the point of why now?

It is clear they cannot compete and now for the first time he has publicly admitted it.

Why now indeed, because if you think he is saying it now so that refs start giving them decisions all of a sudden what kind of run can they go on? What will it achieve? Will the teams above them all get negative decisions I take it, and we will see Moyes all of a sudden do a complete about-turn and watch united storm into 4th with ease?

We are never going to know are we.

About this time 2 years ago City went on a rampage and won the PL. The PL was never at its most exciting, there did happen to be a renewal of contracts that summer but hey, that could be immaterial.

I am saying that. Like everyone else, he should not have said anything because now his integrity can be questioned.

He is there to benefit the PL as a whole and give everyone an equal chance.

"There are lots of fans around the world who wish Manchester United were winning it again," Scudamore told Bloomberg. "But you have to balance that off against, generally, we're in the business of putting on a competition and competition means people can compete."

I am sure there are a lot of Man U fans around the world wishing that, but there are also City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea etc etc fans wishing that their was winning it. To say the brand is affected because one club is having a problem is a joke. Well, for the first time in years we have a competition where 3 yes THREE clubs could win it. Shouldn't he be promoting the fact that this is the best season in years and should be highlighting that rather than grumbling he has to balance it off?

I've already said it is a silly thing for him to say, others are using rather more serious words than that, as their right. I can't get worked up over it though, not when I see other teams have won the PL, us included. I mean in your post there you are suggesting we were allowed to win it the way we did because of the rights being renewed? Is that right?<br /><br />-- Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:56 pm --<br /><br />

In this case, no, seeing as he was born in Bristol.

My point being that just because somebody says they support one team doesn't disqualify them from having a bias towards/against another being completely ignored there I see.

In the same way the ref might have a bias towards us or Liverpool, Arsena, Chelsea, Palace, Stoke (unlikely), Everton
They might have but we can only go on what they say, im sure they have the backrounds researched a bit as well to make sure

This aswell, I mean as well as being the biggest club worldwide, aren't United supposed to be the most hated club in our country? I was under the impression that everyone hates Man U. The term ABU isn't there for nothing. Aren't then the refs more likely to be on that side of things, if anything?

 

[Eds]

The premier league is as bent as a nine bob note. Of course you can't affect every match because you have no idea how players play and there will always be blips but there have been so many odd decisions over the years that people will always suspect something has gone on. A penalty not given or given, a booking here or there, free kicks not awarded etc. It doesn't mean the overall outcome of the every game will be affected but it was always odd that quite often players were banned just as they were playing ushited or a little bit of extra time was played. Recently w had the very dubious VK ban not overturned, the Balo incident, the extra time when Owen scored, three years without the shite conceding a pen at the samp etc etc. I am sure other clubs will have noticed it. Essentially what Scudamore is saying is that the brand needs the rags to be competing at the top regardless.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Around the point of Scudamores allegiances .This is irrelevant

In his position of Chief Exec he has to ensure the Premiership maintains it's money generating capacity, and probably quite correctly he sites MUFC as being key to that objective being met. The trouble is the Premiership (not Scudamores) cannot possibly be seen to taking the view that he has expressed.

The statement quite clearly implies or suggests that the Premierships aim is to keep MUFC as being successful as this will directly affect it's revenue stream.

It is all very untoward and if nothing else extremely unprofessional and suggests the Premiership would pull strings (no matter how small) to ensure United are successful - it is, in their opinion, in their own interests to this.

Needs to be looked at and he should be suspended (with immediate effect) whilst there is an investigation .

I think this morning most fans (except possibly United) will be feeling cheated - I know i do and will be reflecting back on the games or points they have dropped against United due to dubious refereeing decisions.

 

[Pigeonho]

Around the point of Scudamores allegiances .This is irrelevant

In his position of Chief Exec he has to ensure the Premiership maintains it's money generating capacity, and probably quite correctly he sites MUFC as being key to that objective being met. The trouble is the Premiership (not Scudamores) cannot possibly be seen to taking the view that he has expressed.

The statement quite clearly implies or suggests that the Premierships aim is to keep MUFC as being successful as this will directly affect it's revenue stream.

It is all very untoward and if nothing else extremely unprofessional and suggests the Premiership would pull strings (no matter how small) to ensure United are successful - it is, in their opinion, in their own interests to this.

Needs to be looked at and he should be suspended (with immediate effect) whilst there is an investigation .

I think this morning most fans (except possibly United) will be feeling cheated - I know i do and will be reflecting back on the games or points they have dropped against United due to dubious refereeing decisions.

Yet since we have been as good as we are presently, we beat them regularly, whereas when they were better than us, they beat us regularly. That can't be a coincidence can it?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

For someone who's clearly a bright bloke, Pige, you can sometimes assume a somewhat naive stance on matters such as these.

No 'agenda' can ever have total control over events, but rather a guiding hand to meet its own ends.

There are a number of vested interests in unted's enduring hegemony, including but not limited to Sky, the tabloid media and the Premier League.

If a multinational has a particular product or brand which it relies on above all others, that is where its resources and time will be most readily diverted, sometimes at the expense of its other brands. It will do what it takes to protect that product as without it, the organisation may struggle to flourish. That doesn't mean that situation cannot be subject to change if the prevailing circumstances shift, but we aren't at that point yet and until we are the Premier League's default position will, entirely naturally, be to advance the interests of united as much as they are able.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Why now indeed, because if you think he is saying it now so that refs start giving them decisions all of a sudden what kind of run can they go on? What will it achieve? Will the teams above them all get negative decisions I take it, and we will see Moyes all of a sudden do a complete about-turn and watch united storm into 4th with ease?

We are never going to know are we.

About this time 2 years ago City went on a rampage and won the PL. The PL was never at its most exciting, there did happen to be a renewal of contracts that summer but hey, that could be immaterial.

I am saying that. Like everyone else, he should not have said anything because now his integrity can be questioned.

He is there to benefit the PL as a whole and give everyone an equal chance.

"There are lots of fans around the world who wish Manchester United were winning it again," Scudamore told Bloomberg. "But you have to balance that off against, generally, we're in the business of putting on a competition and competition means people can compete."

I am sure there are a lot of Man U fans around the world wishing that, but there are also City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea etc etc fans wishing that their was winning it. To say the brand is affected because one club is having a problem is a joke. Well, for the first time in years we have a competition where 3 yes THREE clubs could win it. Shouldn't he be promoting the fact that this is the best season in years and should be highlighting that rather than grumbling he has to balance it off?

I've already said it is a silly thing for him to say, others are using rather more serious words than that, as their right. I can't get worked up over it though, not when I see other teams have won the PL, us included. I mean in your post there you are suggesting we were allowed to win it the way we did because of the rights being renewed? Is that right?

Its got to be one of the fall outs of what he has implied.

Why has he not said this is a great season? It is, its just that Man U are not involved.

It is no coincidence that they have the biggest following and have dominate the PL. Someone asked why have Liverpool not dominated as they were successful and winning in Europe. 2 things, their fan base wasn't as big as they had Heysel on their hands. Not going to go around the world very successfully that particular boat.

i dont feel he has a particular anti City bias, i dont think our owners (rich Muslims) help promote the face he wants. Same with Chelsea. Arsenal are just Arsenal, inoffensive and not rocking the boat.

Unfortunately, for him, the time has arrived that his pretty boy outfit have hit the skids and he is concerned.

 

[Pigeonho]

For someone who's clearly a bright bloke, Pige, you can sometimes assume a somewhat naive stance on matters such as these.

No 'agenda' can ever have total control over events, but rather a guiding hand to meet its own ends.

There are a number of vested interests in unted's enduring hegemony, including but not limited to Sky, the tabloid media and the Premier League.

If a multinational has a particular product or brand which it relies on above all others that is where its resources and time will be most readily diverted, sometimes at the expense of its other brands. It will do what it takes to protect that product as without it, the organisation may struggle to flourish. That doesn't mean that situation cannot be subject to change if the prevailing circumstances shift, but we aren't at that point yet and until we are the Premier League's default position will, entirely naturally, be to advance the interests of united as much as they are able.

-- 28 Mar 2014, 12:13 --

For someone who's clearly a bright bloke, Pige, you can sometimes assume a somewhat naive stance on matters such as these.

No 'agenda' can ever have total control over events, but rather a guiding hand to meet its own ends.

There are a number of vested interests in unted's enduring hegemony, including but not limited to Sky, the tabloid media and the Premier League.

If a multinational has a particular product or brand which it relies on above all others, that is where its resources and time will be most readily diverted, sometimes at the expense of its other brands. It will do what it takes to protect that product as without it, the organisation may struggle to flourish. That doesn't mean that situation cannot be subject to change if the prevailing circumstances shift, but we aren't at that point yet and until we are the Premier League's default position will, entirely naturally, be to advance the interests of united as much as they are able.

I've actually got RSI in my fingers from this thread! ;-)

Until someone shows me brown envelopes, whispers in the night and anything that says 'united must always prevail', (and Scudamore's nonsense is not that), I will continue to believe there is no agenda. Under Fergie, United were as successful as a club will probably ever be over the same period of time, yet under Moyes they are totally the opposite as things stand. Even during Fergie's time though they had slip ups and other teams, such as our selves, went on to win the league and other cups. We weren't allowed to win them in some kind of attempt to not make the agenda obvious, we won them fair and square. United, when successful, also won things fair and square quite simply because they were better, and that points to Taggart.
If we see a sharp rise in United results, iffy decisions for them and against their opponents and Moyes looking equally as clueless as he does now, but for the reason of 'how the fuck are we winning all of a sudden?', I will think that something funny has gone on and the powers that be want United to be in the top 4 or better. Until that though I will believe their success was Fergie-powered, and their decline is because he is no longer there. That is there for all to see.

 

[Bill]

the blind cannot see it, especially as they choose to look away.

 

[aguero93:20]

For someone who's clearly a bright bloke, Pige, you can sometimes assume a somewhat naive stance on matters such as these.

No 'agenda' can ever have total control over events, but rather a guiding hand to meet its own ends.

There are a number of vested interests in unted's enduring hegemony, including but not limited to Sky, the tabloid media and the Premier League.

If a multinational has a particular product or brand which it relies on above all others that is where its resources and time will be most readily diverted, sometimes at the expense of its other brands. It will do what it takes to protect that product as without it, the organisation may struggle to flourish. That doesn't mean that situation cannot be subject to change if the prevailing circumstances shift, but we aren't at that point yet and until we are the Premier League's default position will, entirely naturally, be to advance the interests of united as much as they are able.

-- 28 Mar 2014, 12:13 --

For someone who's clearly a bright bloke, Pige, you can sometimes assume a somewhat naive stance on matters such as these.

No 'agenda' can ever have total control over events, but rather a guiding hand to meet its own ends.

There are a number of vested interests in unted's enduring hegemony, including but not limited to Sky, the tabloid media and the Premier League.

If a multinational has a particular product or brand which it relies on above all others, that is where its resources and time will be most readily diverted, sometimes at the expense of its other brands. It will do what it takes to protect that product as without it, the organisation may struggle to flourish. That doesn't mean that situation cannot be subject to change if the prevailing circumstances shift, but we aren't at that point yet and until we are the Premier League's default position will, entirely naturally, be to advance the interests of united as much as they are able.

I've actually got RSI in my fingers from this thread! ;-)

Until someone shows me brown envelopes, I will continue to believe there is no agenda. .

Now, shat your noise.

 

[Pigeonho]

the blind cannot see it, especially as they choose to look away.

Nothing to see DN, from our point of view, other than 4 domestic trophies in 6 years. I would imagine that someone at the head of an agenda wouldn't want the cross-city rivals of their so called darling being put in the shade like that - especially when one of those trophies was won by knocking them out and the other bringing us a worldwide audience like none ever seen before that. If they didn't want us to win it, they would have ensured that was the case.