Somebody Give Me A Comeback
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Didsbury Dave
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Well I'll worry about that if it happens mate.
The whole world knows that United are a club supported by muppets.
The whole world knows that United are a club supported by muppets.
ssg2 said:
Possibly, but we will never lose the core City fans attitude, and that is our greatest defence against the criticism.
The problem is, most United fans are under the age of 30. These fans have been used to winning trophies for the past 18 years, most of their adult lifes. Finishing second is an absolute disaster for them, as is three trophyless seasons in a row. This makes them incredibly blinkered and arrogant to the rest of the footballing world. It's not their fault, it's the culture of the club that has fostered under Ferguson. An undeserved sense of grandeur, an unwillingness to take anybody else's opinion, a complete refusal to laugh with other fans at their own team. For them, football is serious business, and winning is the only thing. You know what? I don't think this is a particularly good trait in a fan.
City fans of the same age have seen year upon year of shit. We have been forced to grow up with a gallows humour, and an acceptance of our faults. We can't just sweep them away when they are glaring directly at us. The whole culture of our club is different, as is shown by the jibes at City now coming out of the United fanbase. 'Undeserved, no history, small club' are all tenets of a fans who has no appreciation for the history of their own club. Martin Edwards was the Sheik before the Sheik. United were known as mega-spenders all the way back in the early 20th century (if Gary James is reading, perhaps he can confirm or deny this). United's fanbase was always smaller than City's in the Manchester area, back when that sort of thing was important. I distinctly remember my grandad telling me how people used to laugh at United for 'importing fans' from Ireland and London back in the pre-war days.
The United fans of today know only success, whereas City know both sides of the footballing coin. In a sense, United fans really don't appreciate the full game, and can probably name about two teams below the Championship without looking them up (and they will either be local/United have played them in a friendly recently). If I ask the typical United fan who has just won League 1, most wouldn't have an idea, whereas a lot City fans would (in my experience).
United are a global club, and revel inside of that. They are essentially a nomad club, with no real roots in a city. of course, the Newton Heath days were different, but as the 90's took off, the club lost it's connection to the area.
When we welcome Tevez to Manchester, we don't just do it geographically.
All of the signs coming out of City are different, we are making a connection to our heritage and our city in a previously unknown manner. We are associating the brand of Manchester City with the city of Manchester. Cook has said these exact words himself.
Yes, we might inherit 50,000 plastics. That's fine, they can buy the shirts, the mugs and the bedspreads to boost our already overwhelming coffers. But the one difference between United and City, is that we will never lose our connection to our city, and sell out it's own people in favour of the other markets. Spiritually and geographically, we will always remain MANCHESTER City.
Decent response but I always thought the same when I was going to OT as a kid in 1988. Stood with your mates, nearly everyone from a 10 mile radius of the ground.
Times change, clubs change and this dream that the core of the club will remain is nonsense, if the sheiks want to make money (which they will eventually) they are not going to get it from dave in wythenshawe and johnny in gorton.
Its not just city or united its football as a whole, its overpriced and overhyped.
Sky gave a lot to football but also took the soul away
Times change, clubs change and this dream that the core of the club will remain is nonsense, if the sheiks want to make money (which they will eventually) they are not going to get it from dave in wythenshawe and johnny in gorton.
Its not just city or united its football as a whole, its overpriced and overhyped.
Sky gave a lot to football but also took the soul away
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that's a good post, Damocles, and I agree with most of it. The bit i don't agree with is that for United fans football is a serious business. I don't think it is for the vast vast majority of them.
I went to the pub the night Utd lost the Champions League final. I don't make a habit of watching them but I wanted to watch this game.
The pub was split between people cheering Barca nd people cheering Utd, all decked out in their red shirts. I swear, the mjority of them barely watched the game. They were chatting and laughing throughout.
I think Utd have become the club of the TV generation. They will watch them on the telly and happily gloat and try to belittle anyone. they will join in the celebrations when they win things. But they don't really care about their club.
Even the small number of "real" supporters have become so numb to winning things that the only real joy they get is to sneer at others.
I went to the pub the night Utd lost the Champions League final. I don't make a habit of watching them but I wanted to watch this game.
The pub was split between people cheering Barca nd people cheering Utd, all decked out in their red shirts. I swear, the mjority of them barely watched the game. They were chatting and laughing throughout.
I think Utd have become the club of the TV generation. They will watch them on the telly and happily gloat and try to belittle anyone. they will join in the celebrations when they win things. But they don't really care about their club.
Even the small number of "real" supporters have become so numb to winning things that the only real joy they get is to sneer at others.
ssg2 said:
If the refracted light off the Sun hits the moon at a certain angle, which then filters in to our clouds at just the right density, and it is a Tuesday night in November and is raining while I am stood on one leg and eating a strawberry flavoured icepop whistling to "Don't Fear the Reaper", then and only on those rare occasions, I might maybe consider feeling a tiny bit sorry for the 'real' United fans who have been pushed out.
The difference been that we don't need to dream about the core of our club staying intact with Manchester, the Sheik, the Chairman and the Chief Executive have all said those exact words. I'm not saying out of 47,000 then 45,000 will be Mancunian, I am saying that the city will always be a part of City.
The Sheiks will eventually make money from us in a similar way that the Edwards and Glazers did off of you. The methods will be highly different though.
quiet_riot
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As long as we don't milk a tragedy and sell tragedy flavour merchandise.