SOS NHS

[mosssideblue]

My shoulder replacement operation went well today but the staff shortages are blindingly obvious, hopefully that’s got it back on track.

Cheers Andy. Hope you make a full and speedy recovery.

 

[andyhinch]

Cheers Andy. Hope you make a full and speedy recovery.

Thanks still waiting for them to look at my broken leg the pack beds / staff is worrying.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Apparently it's the location thing on your phone - grasses you up for being at hospital and the phone co pimp your data out :-(

Just like the airports, don’t you have to login and give limited details to get on the net?

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

First hand experience.

Long whinge warning:

Heart attack at 46. Already repeatedly marked down for questions over cardio health, I reported ongoing and recurrent symptoms like sweating and tachycardia to a GP via phone, six months prior to the heart attack. It was the first time I spoke to anyone since COVID. Previously I would see someone every month or so. He was... "uhh, ok, could be... I guess... virus could be COVID... well.. see ya". Now the same surgery won't call me. They just text and ask me to sit for an hour at a time to book some test. Every time I speak to a GP, it's not my regular - they've all left, four in six years. I occassionally get an on the day phone appt, tell them I can't cope, they assure me, they will sort it. Which means, passing it to my regular GP.

Who, in fact, I've never spoken to. She only texts and asks me to make appts. Either phone appt, or blood test.. Usually I'm ill so I can't make the appt. Never follows up. Never sorted batch repeat prescriptions - I have to beg every time.. Consultant wrote her a letter saying he was very worried about me - she took immediate action by sending me a text asking me to set up a phone appt. Really fuckng helpful stuff. Phone appts, they call whenever they like. Any time, between 8 and 6. You get it in four rings, or they don't call back. And don't follow up. Dealing with anxiety, constant symptoms have me on my back. Just forget about it. Honestly, that's been my attitude. It's more stress than I can deal with. Hours of chasing up so they can abandon me without further thought. Can't do it. Nope. I'll get meds, try to make consultant appts.... I had to miss the one they gave me because of sore throat and temperature... I couldn't even report to them prior that I would miss it, as their phone is only answered between certain hours. Otherwise, no. I don't need, can't take the stress.

My experience is my own, and subject to my own shortcomings and temperament. I hate phone stuff. Anxiety and stress and isolation combine, and the brain just says no no no. I've explained that to them, that I can't cope with this, I won't be able to cope with this way of doing it, and it doesn't stop them, not a bit of it. "No problem. Don't Worry. We'll sort that out." Next thing, text message, can you make a phone appt? Over, and over again.

If that is the truth of the care people are getting, then there's likely to be many, many more gross shortcomings. And that tells me, this is a timebomb that's already slowly going off, and will last a generation or more of increased serious illness and increased mortality.

People.. they don't think about it. Even on here, I started to air my experience, and the reaction was, oh, he's just exhibiting signs of a mental illness... there's nothing you can do. Any excuse.

Not really offended, it's happened before. But I think it goes beyond me, and that there is a collective blinkers thing on. Everyone got fed up of health messaging because they took up hours of people's time every single night for COVID, and kept everyone in lockdown for far too long.

We're part of the crowd now more than ever. This time, it's decided not to worry. I could spice that up and draw parallels with other times in history the masses turn a blind eye, how complete the illusiion is, but there's no need. In reality, everything works like this. Until people open up again, start to accept the possibillity of norms and meaningful statistics, and reasonable people trying to tell the truth about them, then we will just be exhibiting - at length - our ability and god given right to willfully put the blinkers on and drive directly into the storm whilst proclaiming everything is just fine.. just as we did with Brexit.

Hope your not to bad it’s very stressful if your not feeling well trying to speak or make a personal appointment with a doctor

All we here is how wonderful the nurses are and clapping them through the pandemic, instead of providing enough staff and a decent pay increase nothing about what’s really happening in the NHS,
Bed blocking is another press favourite they can’t discharge patients home because the local authorities don’t have enough money to pay for care in the community and there is no where to send people who need long term care. Mostly elderly but some very young people have long
term healthcare needs

We used to have NHS homes /hospitals for long term care, but they’ve all been sold off, the list of hospitals closed in Manchester is four and the land sold off but the population has increased it’s wrong there is nothing like the bed capacity there used to be.

 

[NPBlue]

This is completely untrue. There is no such thing as a free healthcare system nor is there any requirement in the EU for a nationalised, free at point of use, state regulated healthcare system. The EU has no say in the regulation or administration of a state's healthcare whatsoever.

In countries like Belgium and France you have to pay into an NI system but they then charge you at the point of use. Some of that charge is then refunded but not all of it, it depends on the treatment.

In Holland you HAVE to take out a brokered form of private healthcare insurance, there's no choice or you get fined.

In Norway going to the doctor is like going to the dentist, you pay up to a certain amount and then there's a limit on how much you can pay.

Can you imagine how the implementation of these ideas would go down here?

Not true. I said free at the point of use healthcare system. At no point did I imply it was free of any charge. We pay national insurance to fund it, and do you remember a short while ago the government planning to increase our national insurance contributions to provide extra funds for the NHS?

Neither did I say the EU directly interferes in a nations sovereign right to administer it's healthcare system as it sees fit. Membership of the EU means there has to be a free at the source of use system, and Norway isn't a member of the EU.

One of the first acts passed by the UK government after we left the EU, which they wasted no time in implementing, was the removal of a nationally regulated healthcare system as laid down by our membership. What would be the point of passing that legislation if it didn't apply?

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

This is all quite deliberate. It needs to break so private healthcare can be presented as the solution.
I went to a&e a couple of weeks ago, was in and out very quickly and nearly every day since I've had an email from some ambulance chasing solicitors encouraging me to sue for medical negligence. Firstly, there was no negligence, secondly I didn't hand over my email. Where are these vultures getting their data from? Also, if this is happening with everyone who passed through hospital there will be enough chancers to bleed the NHS dry.

The Conservatives sold all your health and personal data to the Americans a number of years ago.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

An Insurer I worked at had to sack a few people in their motor claims team because they ran a side hustle of selling details of policyholders and passengers involved in shunts to a claims management company

This is mainly done through companies that off shore their claims process (India etc)

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Just like the airports, don’t you have to login and give limited details to get on the net?

Don't know mate. I certainly didn't log in -was just on mobile data. No expert on this, it was an ex employee at the hospital that told me about the phone thing

 

[Saddleworth2]

My wife had day case surgery on Monday and was put in a 'broom cupboard' to wait as there were no day beds available (hold back on the Gordon the Gopher jokes please). That was the only sign of operational stress. She was very well treated by the whole care team, nurses, anaesthetist, surgeon, care assistants.

However that just about makes up for treatment during diagnosis and the run up to the op which has been very very poor and caused a high degree of stress. Bombarded with written material, much of it way out of date, operation cancelled once, communication breakdowns, the lot. Much of this easily remedied if someone took the trouble to look at their processes from a patient perspective. And this is a 'centre of excellence' cancer department which is deemed one of the best in the UK.

 

[inbetween]

Not true. I said free at the point of use healthcare system. At no point did I imply it was free of any charge. We pay national insurance to fund it, and do you remember a short while ago the government planning to increase our national insurance contributions to provide extra funds for the NHS?

Neither did I say the EU directly interferes in a nations sovereign right to administer it's healthcare system as it sees fit. Membership of the EU means there has to be a free at the source of use system, and Norway isn't a member of the EU.

One of the first acts passed by the UK government after we left the EU, which they wasted no time in implementing, was the removal of a nationally regulated healthcare system as laid down by our membership. What would be the point of passing that legislation if it didn't apply?

But again I've proven that healthcare systems in Europe are not free at the point of use. In France you have to pay for healthcare although the majority of costs are reimbursed by their form of NI. If you visit a doctor in France then you pay around 25 Euros and the state reimburses some of it, so how is that free at the point of use?

I have no idea what you mean by the first thing we did upon leaving the EU is remove our nationally regulated healthcare system. The NHS is still a completely nationalised and government regulated system. The only way the NHS involves the private sector is it outsources some diagnosis/treatment etc to the private sector.

I went for an MRI about 4 months ago and it was done by a private provider but it was free, fast and my appointment was managed by the NHS, so what's the problem? If we removed this private provision then millions of people would go undiagnosed as there aren't enough MRI machines and there never will be given they cost millions each.

You know Norway isn't part of the EU, right?

Of course but I'm just comparing because the world doesn't stop with the EU and the best healthcare systems are not all in the EU. Switzerland has supposedly the best system in the world and it operates a mixed private/public system like ours, the only real difference actually is theirs is funded entirely privately. Is Switzerland in the EU? No.

Should we care about the EU? No. The quality of France's healthcare system or any other countries in the EU for that matter has no relevance whatsoever to being in the EU.