SOS NHS

[Indaparkside]

Hope your mrs is ok and doing well J .
another Hero .

Top man cheers blue, she’d of done 55 hours this week after Saturday they’ve got no senior cover at all on critical care she’s doing some nhsp to cover shifts we’re going to Lanzarote on the 25th for a fortnight so she will get a well earned break. Hope you and the Mrs are ok

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

I'm ready.
apparantly the 1st strike will be 9th dec,on my rota I'm on a day off that week.
12 years of their austerity and piss taking with the NHS has brought this on.

Hope you get a decent pay rise and a lot more staff, you deserve it.

 

[blue44]

Top man cheers blue, she’d of done 55 hours this week after Saturday they’ve got no senior cover at all on critical care she’s doing some nhsp to cover shifts we’re going to Lanzarote on the 25th for a fortnight so she will get a well earned break. Hope you and the Mrs are ok

all the best mate.
she and you know the score
the best of the best
have a great break fella

 

[Bigga]

This is all quite deliberate. It needs to break so private healthcare can be presented as the solution.
I went to a&e a couple of weeks ago, was in and out very quickly and nearly every day since I've had an email from some ambulance chasing solicitors encouraging me to sue for medical negligence. Firstly, there was no negligence, secondly I didn't hand over my email. Where are these vultures getting their data from? Also, if this is happening with everyone who passed through hospital there will be enough chancers to bleed the NHS dry.

My friend, you HAVE given your email out at some point, whether to your GP or an affiliated company attached something medical however fleeting or innocent. That attaches to the NHS Spine, which can be sourced for any type of contact via 3rd party usage, you might have been initially okay with, like some sort of research or whatever.

Our information is sold more often than we even know about.

 

[metalblue]

I'm waiting for surgery on a malignant tumour. its just been delayed again. Making generalisations on the NHS is a minefield . Patients can really only comment on their individual snapshots of experience. My recent experiences show that once you get to the clinical care point its amazing but that road is littered with obvious inefficiencies,
At an x ray appointment the nurse called out 20 names of patients who were not there. Clear waste of scarce resources by us the public.
At an outpatient clinic in the past weeks I waited 2 hours beyond my appointed time on both occasions. There were only 2-3 patients waiting but over that 2 hours I saw up to 4 nursing staff ,one cleaner and 2 receptionists just hanging around the desk for 2 hours tittle tattling about their excessive workload and staring at the clock. Organisation of the NHS resources is a huge and unfathomable challenge.

There are huge areas of inefficiencies in the NHS - more often than not these are in the specialist areas, such as the clinics you attended. Staff are used inappropriately for their experience (you have highly skilled nurses doing admin work for example that can be delegated to admin staff) and you have computer systems that don’t talk to each other, masses of duplication of paperwork and so on and so forth. All of this needs fixing, all of it will take years because like all monolithic organisations there are people who simply aren’t interested in change.

Unfortunately none of that resolves the pay issue. What we know is the government can’t just hand out 15% pay rise to the entire public sector which giving to one section will result in give or take a % - maybe a large one off payment for “cost of living” and a smaller pay rise to give a £3.5k “rise” this year which gets to that magical 15% mark…with a commitment to fix public sector pay over the next 3-4 years with good solids annual pay rises but not double digit rises. Obviously this is on the basis that the current inflation rate is just an anomaly and not structural.

 

[fulhamfever]

1.2% Health and Social Care Levy to help backlog of NHS waiting list etc
now scrapped from 06/11/22 - 31/03/23

Let's talk about where that money is going?
Your tax should be paying for the NHS not increasing National Insurance.

You do realise the NHS has not had a significant pay rise for almost 10 years and this 10% they are asking for will only make up for the past 10 years they have not given an increase. 1% for each of the last 10.

I understand the argument from both parties, but they have put it off for so long and now they are their own undoing. The cock up during the pandemic with wasted funds on the wrong PPE to the friends of the Tories and this Billion Pound 'world changing' app Track and Trace left a huge hole in the NHS budget only for it to be the worst thing since Richard Dunne's own goal record.

Boris Johnson did the same during his time as Mayor of London overspent and made stupid projects during his tenure which left huge repercussions for the next mayor of London. He did the same with his term as PM as well.

That is just my 2 cents on the matter.

I love my job I work in mental health but at what cost? Compassion fatigue is real once that kicks in then how are we supposed to do our job when we are underpaid and understaffed.

People are also leaving the profession due to being overworked.

Making a stand to strike why not? We are not machines and we defo ain't letting this government take our kindness for weakness and try guilt trip us.

MP's got a golden ticket and access to reserved funds to get 2nd mortgages, paid expenses etc

 

[bluethrunthru]

 

[bluebaja]

I worked in the NHS for over 30 years. I could comment on many aspects of the NHS but will make a few points about Nurses. Going back to the 1970's recruiting Nursing students was easy. It was a good career for 18 year olds. They got paid a monthly salary, they worked 40 hours a week as part of a team and had good levels of supervision and training. They also had subsidised accommodation, great for those who were working away from the family home.
On completion of training jobs were plentiful and posts easily filled. In 1990 a scheme known as Project 2000 was introduced and was intended to raise the skillset of nurses to something more akin to that of a Junior Doctor. The Government saved £700m a year as Student Nurses were now full time students and received a grant rather than a salary. They were though, still expected to work and provide manpower. Fast forward to now and they are needing 2-3 A levels to start a degree. In the 1970's it was 5 'o' levels. This means that Nursing is far less attractive as a Career.
The second area where it went wrong was the M/F ratio. This currently stands at 11% male, 89% female, only slightly better than the 1970's. Contrast that with Medicine where the ratio is now 32% male, 68% female. The result of that is that nursing still looses a disproportionate amount of its workforce each year as female nurses leave to have families and often return only part time if at all. Interestingly, this percentage balance is at least in part responsible for the shortage of GP's in the UK, as many female medics work only part time (only 35% of full time GP's are female).
So, we should never have made such a fundamental change to Nurse training, and we should have encouraged more men to become Nurses, we didn't and that is partly why we now have a problem.
Personal view only.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

I worked in the NHS for over 30 years. I could comment on many aspects of the NHS but will make a few points about Nurses. Going back to the 1970's recruiting Nursing students was easy. It was a good career for 18 year olds. They got paid a monthly salary, they worked 40 hours a week as part of a team and had good levels of supervision and training. They also had subsidised accommodation, great for those who were working away from the family home.
On completion of training jobs were plentiful and posts easily filled. In 1990 a scheme known as Project 2000 was introduced and was intended to raise the skillset of nurses to something more akin to that of a Junior Doctor. The Government saved £700m a year as Student Nurses were now full time students and received a grant rather than a salary. They were though, still expected to work and provide manpower. Fast forward to now and they are needing 2-3 A levels to start a degree. In the 1970's it was 5 'o' levels. This means that Nursing is far less attractive as a Career.
The second area where it went wrong was the M/F ratio. This currently stands at 11% male, 89% female, only slightly better than the 1970's. Contrast that with Medicine where the ratio is now 32% male, 68% female. The result of that is that nursing still looses a disproportionate amount of its workforce each year as female nurses leave to have families and often return only part time if at all. Interestingly, this percentage balance is at least in part responsible for the shortage of GP's in the UK, as many female medics work only part time (only 35% of full time GP's are female).
So, we should never have made such a fundamental change to Nurse training, and we should have encouraged more men to become Nurses, we didn't and that is partly why we now have a problem.
Personal view only.

Putting a cap on training places, for both doctors and nurses, is the real problem. Sadly this government, and previous ones to be fair, are in love with outsourcing everything to save a few quid in time for the next election.

In these times of government targets for everything like waiting times, ambulance waits, cancer waits and the like they refuse to publish what minimum safe staffing levels should be, which highlights where the real problems lie.

The obvious answer to the NHS, and education for that matter, is to have a cross party consensus on what they should be doing and achieving, numbers of staff needed and numbers needed to be trained to become far more self reliant and what the funding mechanism should be. That should then be enshrined in law and politicians could leave things alone for a few years and just let people crack on with making things better.

 

[Corky]

I worked in the NHS for over 30 years. I could comment on many aspects of the NHS but will make a few points about Nurses. Going back to the 1970's recruiting Nursing students was easy. It was a good career for 18 year olds. They got paid a monthly salary, they worked 40 hours a week as part of a team and had good levels of supervision and training. They also had subsidised accommodation, great for those who were working away from the family home.
On completion of training jobs were plentiful and posts easily filled. In 1990 a scheme known as Project 2000 was introduced and was intended to raise the skillset of nurses to something more akin to that of a Junior Doctor. The Government saved £700m a year as Student Nurses were now full time students and received a grant rather than a salary. They were though, still expected to work and provide manpower. Fast forward to now and they are needing 2-3 A levels to start a degree. In the 1970's it was 5 'o' levels. This means that Nursing is far less attractive as a Career.
The second area where it went wrong was the M/F ratio. This currently stands at 11% male, 89% female, only slightly better than the 1970's. Contrast that with Medicine where the ratio is now 32% male, 68% female. The result of that is that nursing still looses a disproportionate amount of its workforce each year as female nurses leave to have families and often return only part time if at all. Interestingly, this percentage balance is at least in part responsible for the shortage of GP's in the UK, as many female medics work only part time (only 35% of full time GP's are female).
So, we should never have made such a fundamental change to Nurse training, and we should have encouraged more men to become Nurses, we didn't and that is partly why we now have a problem.
Personal view only.

There was an oversupply of nurses in the first decade of this century, as on the diploma (not the degree which few did) you got grant and fees fully paid, which you didn't for almost any other higher education course. Also the work places didn't count towards staffing quota numbers.

When fees became payable and the grant remove, that caused the shortage more than anything else. Now to bridge the gap they are promoting Nursing Associates.