Spurs (A) - Post-Match Thread

For me a deserved second, Yaya could single handedly do things on the pitch I’ve not seen another player do bar fat Ronaldo when he played for Internazionale
Yaya could undoubtedly be completely unplayable on his day, it was like the big kid in the play ground. He could also have periods where he would sulk, skulk around the pitch and look like he couldn’t be arsed.
Silva obviously also had periods where he wasn’t on top form but it never showed he never stopped trying or gave up he always offered for the ball and normally he was an absolute class act in every way the smoothest silkiest footballer with a ridiculous ability to appear as though he was the only player on the pitch. Merlin wins it hands down for me, a player we were all lucky to get to watch. Think I’m going to cry.
 
For the goal Cancelo did seem a little preoccupied with the oncoming player wide right which (maybe in hindsight) certainly didn’t represent as great a threat as Son darting in between him and Laporte. I also think Laporte was most culpable by being sucked into Kane and allowing the space in behind him.

Agree with a lot of this post though!
I don't disagree with what you say at all. What irked me with Cancelo was that he actually moved away from the play first of all and was then effectively out of the game. Laporte certainly didn't "smell the danger" as Vinnie used to say which is unusual for him and I can't imagine that he was really spooked by Kane so early on. But two things really got me about the goal. The first was the referee's usual determination that a free kick in a dangerous area should be allowed to be taken quickly against us (though he held one up in the second half for us until Spurs had eleven men behind the ball and in position). The other was the number of our players who never bothered to keep an eye on the ball and jogged or walked back into position as though the whole game would be played at a leisurely, gentlemanly pace. Ferna would have stood over the ball and if necessary taken the yellow to stop that free kick being taken. This is where he is more valuable than Rodri who is a player with excellent distribution going forward and is good in the air but doesn't read how the game develops and see the threats coming and how to break them up or stop them in their tracks. Ferna really will take some replacing
 
I would disagree with these 2 points. I thought we were good first half, but second half we didn't play well. After the second goal they just gave up. They didn't look like they thought they could get back in the game. The lack of effort second half should be questioned IMO.

OK, let's be more precise.

After the second goal, as you say, but not immediately after. The team kept fighting to get back in the game, but the goal did not come. "Progressive disappointmet" within a group of people, behind in the scoreline from minute 5, dominating the game ever since, experiencing a fine goal being disallowed for ridiculous reasons in the meantime...

A group of people already living a reality they're not familiar with, by the way. With a gap from the teams leading the table. With a will to deliver to which their organisms, bodies and legs, fail to respond as they used to. And with the clock ticking, their energy gradually dropping more and more, after entering the opposition's box again and again, watching teammate after teammate undecisive to make the crucial final move, taking half a second longer to make that final pass or shot (needless to say, that same teammate would then need to get back to position and find his composure again, while dealing with the guilt for letting the down...), witnessing shot after shot being blocked in a sea of legs, header after header going straight to Lloris's arms, experiencing numerous promising situations being wasted, and so on, and so on, yes, perhaps in the final stages of the match they began to accept that this would be "one of those bitter days"...

I was watching it in the comfort of my livingroom and, as was told afterwards, nobody dared to enter the room nevermind even talk to me during the match. My swearing was totally uncontrolled, they said, and well heard outside the apparment -not for the first time, may I add. That was the reaction of a guy (and thousands of City fans I assume) watching the match thousands of miles away from London. These people were living it live, having all the responsibility to make things right. Which they definitely deserved -and, I'm sorry, I'm not going to get into stats to support this, I know what I saw...

They're only humans, my friend, that's what I'm trying to say, I guess. I see people focusing on their wages. Yes, they're paid money, good money, very good money indeed. But that's the fucking rule of demand and supply, furthermore that's the reality of the world we live in. I would prefer our society to appreciate and pay more for the services of teachers and doctors, but unfortunately that's not the case, is it? And it would be ridiculous to blame a certain Kevin de Bruyne for this, for example, it's not his fault. Yes, they are paid much money, yet they're still humans. Ordinary boys, athletes, not intellectuals, making a living through football. But lack of effort? I'm sorry, I disagree...

A word about City's transfer strategy
Given the opportunity, let me highlight another point some sensible voices have already mentioned in the forum. I myself have serious questions regarding the priorities and certain aspects of City's transfer strategy. But people forget some basic principles that strategy fulfills, in a consistent manner. City basically invests in youth, in talent, while at the same time chases all existing trophies. Not exactly the norm, is it? Extremely difficult and complicated. For decades Madrid, for example, had adopted the galacticos concept, buying complete, expensive players year after year. I don't know how many of them were actually destroyed during that process, with a crowd educated to ask for new faces, new "meat in the arena" every single season. We have chosen the hardest path, fighting in every existing front while developing people like Phil, Leroy and Gabby, improving others like Raheem, even the senior ones...

Feran (and Rodri) was the weak link vs Liverpool, in terms of his impact in the match. Three week later, he was better last night, still far away from the level we expect though. Joao is still unestablished, his cautiousness, hesitation and insecurity have been obvious in his performance. But he kept being trusted regardless of the consequences in terms of results, and is gradually starting to express himself, revealing the reasons he was brought in the squad. I could go on and on, so many players in the squad -while different, unique cases- are still young (or relatively young), not yet the finished article. Still learning, still adapting. It's a process (which is not linear, by the way, I want to be clear about that), it will take time, it's deterministic. Us fans need to support this process long term, us fans need to be patient...

A word about Josep Guardiola
A final comment I've been trying to avoid for ages (I think people reading my posts can understand why). It's relatively easy to make comparisons between the human resources available to this manager and his predecessors. Not long ago this squad had like 4 complete, experienced, tested strikers, for example. I will never forget that, in his first season, Guardiola had an injury prone Sergio (who also missed matches due to that fucking red card...) and a kid who was simply not good enough for City. I have nothing against him, he's a fine guy, just that his quality was not up to the standard needed. Guardiola did not complain. City visited Old Trafford and won with that kid, with the manager saying afterwards that the team selection was a clear message to his players: we would still play with 3 upfront, we would still play with a striker (even without Sergio) because our objective was to win. The plan was to wait for Gabby in January who seemed ready from his first minutes on the pitch. That is certainly not the norm though, is it? Especially for a youngster. You will have to assume that the boy will need time...

It's impossible for me to fathom decisions such as the above, for a club like City. Guardiola inherited a gradually ageing squad (that goes even for players with a key role during his tenure, world class players at their peak for his predecessors). Corrective actions implemented the following season could -and should- have been made during the summer of 2016. It's a pity the media and people in this forum record that 2016-17 season as a failure, simply because it was trophyless. You won't find an argument more ridiculous and unfair than that. Exactly because it was the period during which the foundations were built. An extremely important period, what followed was relatively easier, based on the quality of work (and the above mentioned corrective actions) delivered before...

Guardiola started vs Liverpool with Feran, a kid, and young Gabby, having just returned from long injury (Sergio still injured), while other players had been playing every 3 days non stop. Gabby did deliver, it was fantastic, but it was also a fucking risk. Not even Pep or his staff could possibly predict how the boy would respond, the uncertainty was inevitable. He had no other choice though, he had to take that risk. Personally I was crossing my fingers, and I was absolutely delighted with his performance...

Let's just ask ourselves, for a momment, if the above mentioned reality could ever be possible for a club with ámbitions similar to the ones of City. Of course Pep will never use such an argument, he's too decent for that, it's me who's saying it. He will never complain about anything, on the contrary he will keep praising the club and supporting his players, the right and decent thing to do...

A word about Pep's mistakes (or "mistakes")
Has he made mistakes? Absolutely. Could some of these mistakes have been avoided? 4 years ago, in my first ever post in this forum, I made it pretty clear that I will support his vision to death. That's where I still stand today, even more fanatically. But I've also tried to make people understand that, by hiring Guardiola, you get the whole "package", it's inevitable. A man obsessed with his dream. I even went on saying that his judgement will not always be right, exactly because of who he is...

What we've experienced in the meantime is beyond imagination. Totally inconceivable without his presence, he's the architect, the mind behind all this. But football is not a "one man show". Pep has given everything for City, his very soul. No other manager in the history of football has delivered / will ever deliver so much in such a small period of time, with that level of quality. His mistakes? Under different circumstances I feel there would be room for a fruitful discussion regarding tactical elements / patterns City could add to their game, defensively as well as offensively, so as to be more competitive. As long as there is respect for the man and what he has achived, of course. For others (of his mistakes), the source is his pure voluntarism. Which made that 2018-19 run possible, un unbelievable achievement through sacrifice, while missing key players etc. Simply inconceivable without Pep's inspiration, those men nearly died out there on the pitch. Some of them still suffer the consequences... The kind of will that made possible that 0-1 turning into 3-1 vs Barca (clearly ahead of City in all aspects at that moment) in 2016. The same will that kept him blind 3 days later, in that bitter 1-1 vs Boro at home (which could easily have been avoided)...

And of course there are others, like the Lyon game. Haven''t talked about it and I'm not going to. Or that fucking second half vs Wolves away, another historic low, you cannot recognise Guardiola at City's bench in that match, it's definitely not him making those decisions. Explanation? The guy lives with us like 4 fucking years in a row, is it so difficult to understand how he operates? The passion, the intensity with which he lives his job? The desire to deliver, make everything perfect, move the club forward? The pressure is unfathomable, and let's not forget that Guardiola was not used to working in hostile environments. Barcelona and Bayern represent the elite, entities well protected. At City he faced war from day 1. Whatever he had been told perhaps, however well he might have been prepared, I don't think he ever expected that experience vs Conte's Chelsea at home in 2016, for example. Which must have been a major shock for him (as it was for myself)...

There will always occur those sensitive, critical moments where everything is on the line. All of us share similar experiences. The thing is, when you're mentally tired and stressed, how unusual is it to start having doubts about yourself, your plan, the people who will apply it? The moment doubt or fear penetrates your heart, rationalism gets out of the window, you're fucked, as simple as that...

That is why in that very first post of mine I asked for the club to support the man, all the way. Identifying, at the same time, the nature of the problem. I'm not going to get into that again, it will probably end to an unpopular discussion. I was as clear and aggressive as I can be describing it, plus it doesn't matter anyway. Which means I'm not optimistic it will be solved in the near future. We are talking about specific structural limitations, let me put it this way, which influence the quality and correctness of serious decisions...

I have noticed people mentioning Guardiola needs to be challenged. Interesting. Very interesting indeed. Question: Who's going to do it? Who the fuck is able to do it? And what would be the prerequisite for that? Good connections in the football industry? An expertise (???, just saying) in the field of negotiations? Or in the area of management (???, just saying) in general? Well, this stuff is helpful, but definitely not enough. You need fucking good knowledge, genuine KNOWLEDGE and understanding of the sport in all aspects of its complexity in the modern era. Provided you do possess that knowledge (1) and, at the same time, the right position in the hierarchy (2), then, yes, you can indeed make / contribute to serious decisions, assuming the relevant responsibility, of course...

The kind of decisions regarding the suitability of City's scouting team. Which needs to be evaluated continuously. Or regarding the efficiency of the staff responsible for fitness. An area extremely demanding under Pep's regime. Or, in terms of transfer strategy, regarding the incorporation of a certain particular player with certain particular attributes. Now, not later, because of a specific reason. In the framework of a transfer plan periodically reassessed and updated. Or regarding the people assigned to assist the manager. From whom we seek added value, given the specific knowledge and personality they would be expected to possess. And so on, and so on, and so on...

It's not that simple, you see. You need knowledge and people with knowledge that will help you identify problems and work towards their solutions. You need methodologies, tools, sets of indicators and criteria etc etc etc, to assess performances and make corrective actions. While, at the same time, following developments in the market regarding opportunities in terms of personnel...

Am I asking for not respecting Pep's opinion regarding these matters? Absolutely not, categorically not, I don't even believe in such a model. But you cannot expect from the man to be an expert in every fucking field, or to be able to objectively evaluate people he loves and trusts, or to possess all possible information about a subject in a given moment. For example, it would be logical for Pep -and I'm just guessing here- to ask for some time in order to evaluate the capabilities of Kelechi and the 4 fullbacks he inherited when he arrived at the club. Somebody with knowledge and authority, a person whose professional opinion Guardiola would respect, should have been able to convince him that this would only result in a waste of time. In such a scenario, these men would have been replaced a year earlier. We now know that, had this decision been made, its impact to the team's performance, progress and goals would have been positive...

As I said, I'm not optimistic these limitations will disappear in the near future. Until then, it will keep being a "one man show", even if it's not supposed to be that way. And personally I will keep trusting in the manager, hoping that eventually he will get everything right. He's an extremely intelligent man, his history speaks for himself and his perfectionism is well known anyway, I mean football is like torture for him. Furthermore, I am grateful to the people running the club for convincing him to renew. I can only assume they share the same position with me: Under Guardiola, City is "more than a club". Under Guardiola, City represents an idea (and an ideal) of a certain way of -approaching and- playing football...

That is why I talked about a "strategic priority" in a previous post. Which was not introduced with Guardiola, some people have mentioned this in the forum -and I agree. It began with Manuel, a man I will always respect, having followed his work since his Villareal days, later with Malaga etc. Pep, younger than Manuel, represents a significant upgrade on the latter. For people understanding this -strategic- concept, I need to say no more...

PS. Just reading it before posting. If mods feel certain sections are off topic, they are free to use its content as they wish.
 
Tried to stay off and get myself some perspective, but my feelings haven’t changed. Apologies for not reading the previous 130 odd pages.

Domination of the ball is not a statistic that wins games. Penetration with the ball does.

The tactics we currently employ are decades old, and at least 2 years past their sell by date in the Premier League...unless we are literally almost perfect. Sadly, there is no Plan B, no forward to cross the ball to while looking to pick up second balls.

Peps game is moving the ball to move the opposition, to create the space to exploit.

There are 3 key factors missing from that equation today:

1) Teams play a 10 man defence (1-5-4) to close those spaces, and

2) We move the ball too slowly to exploit the spaces that MAY have been there before they collapsed into their defensive shell.

3) IF we do find ourselves breaching that first line of defence, squeezing between the lines, we are STILL looking for another inch perfect pass to lay it on for someone else.

We STILL do not know how to defend the 8/10 slot.

On goal #1, Cancelo looked more concerned with Aurier than Son, and £100M+ of centre backs BOTH got sucked in to Kane when he dropped off, leaving the entire field in behind them wide open. Cancelo vs Son with a 5 yard start for Son is no contest. Throw in Ederson once again defending no man’s land and it’s 1-0, with one pass, one touch, one shot.

1 shot, 1 goal. Typical City.

On goal #2, we are attacking. Mahrez lazily wanders in from the right wing, where Walker has joined him, and plays a loose square ball. We have committed players to a slow, if not stagnant, attack and thus KEEPING THE BALL is required. Sloppy pass and they’re away. A 3 on 3 becomes a 4 on 3 as KDB can’t catch Lo Celso down our right. One looks for EITHER Walker getting back (I think he was still in their half when the ball went in!) or a Centre Back coming across to close him down or even the DM sliding across. Nope...wide open down our right, into the box, slotted through the legs, game over!

Oh wait, no...maybe time for a sub???!!!

I’m not sure how many people it takes to show Pep the stats...

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...but it’s EVERY GAME NOW FOR TWO YEARS!

The “stats” say it must have been a 4-0, or maybe 3-1 AT WORST, but it’s the same story every time the “Rondo in and around the box” doesn’t pay off!

Smash & Grab!

2 shots, 2 goals!

The build up is so slow, there is virtually zero chance of getting in behind. Yesterday, when we tried to slot the ball inside the full back for the winger or attacking full back, it was either misread, too tight, or simply a shit ball that gave the player no chance.

Against teams we know will sit in and break, we over expose ourselves, because we FEEL like we are dominating them in their space. Average field position for almost every game has our deepest defender in their half and our midfield camped around a 20-30m semi-circle around their goal.

However, the key word is CAMPED!

By the time we have collapsed them into two banks (6-3 yesterday), we have not only removed the spaces in which we want to play, but we have made those spaces easier to defend, because every team knows the ball is staying on the ground and we are going to try to pass-pass-dribble our way through.
As a defender against that, you don’t need precision, you need a touch, a bobble, a poor pass or uncontrolled dribble and you will successfully defend it.

Throw that repetitive method of attack at an organized defence and it’s unlikely to yield results, especially if no one is even looking to kick a ball back out to the edge of the box for a shot through the crowded box.

Our game has been to exploit the whole “defend the box” mentality, by getting players around it for the cut back or cross along the 6 yard line. Did we have a single attempt at that yesterday, or IF we got into that position did the winger feel the need to beat the player over and over and over again, or simply run it out of play (!!!) rather than whip it in?

We need to put Rondo to bed for a few weeks. It’s engrained in the players to the point they have forgotten everything else.

Instead, we need to start moving the ball around for a shot from the edge of the box. Once you start to demand being closed down there, the gaps start to open for either the shot OR the blind pass...or was David Silva the only player good enough to do that?

Back to basics.

A goalkeeper who doesn’t see every ball within 30m of his goal as a challenge.

Full backs who put as much effort into defending as attacking.

Centre backs talking about who is going and who is dropping, and know how to scream at midfielders who are not tracking their runners in the 8/10 slots...which is where our weak underbelly is and has been for at least 2.25 seasons now.

A midfield that understands their PRIMARY goal is to dominate the opposition midfield and control the game, not just be the 4th, 5th and 6th attacker. Also, track their runner on the counter attack. If you’re too knackered to do that for 90 minutes, take a look at yourself and where you’re expending your effort, because our whole game is about knackering the opposition by chasing the ball we own.

A forward line who doesn’t pass up the opportunity to shoot on sight and, instead, looks to either dribble, head down through a 6 man wall or look to pass the ball through a thicket of legs to someone else, so they can do the same! A forward line that takes a chance on a shot and is constantly looking for the deflection, the keepers parry, etc...

Lastly, a manager who steps back from Cruyff and takes a look at how Fergie, Shankly, Klopp, Mourinho, and even Wenger approached the game. Is there NOTHING TO LEARN from decades of success managers in Britain?

Make no mistake, I have never personally seen football as good as Pep’s City in full flow. On our day, we have the ability to easily score 10 goals. However, other managers see those days, too, and they set up their teams to frustrate, nullify, and maybe nick a set piece goal. The good managers with the good teams set them up to counter attack us at speed, because we have shown the world it is our Achilles Heel.

In addition, IMHO, football has moved on from the 5’ 8” player being a game changer, unless he is absolutely world class. Today, the game is about athleticism and power combined with technique, where technique is not always the #1 attribute, but a perfect compliment to the physical presence the player brings to bear on the game.

There are obvious exceptions, with Messi and David Silva immediately springing to mind, but from there the list trails off dramatically...and those are yesterday’s players!

Today, 5’10” is minimum height for a player in almost any position, with 6’ being an ideal. Throw in a gym-honed body and lungs that don’t burn until the 85th minute, at the earliest. THAT is the new generation of players that will dominate football going forward. They will be the foundation of all clubs, allowing that 5’7” wizard to play in the spaces on occasion.

We live in the age of defend and counter, defend and counter, not dominate but show your arse when you lose the ball!

We are a lightweight team. We do not physically match up to the top teams, either in England or Europe, and it’s beginning to peel back the veneer of supposed Pep Ball invincibility. Look at Bielsa. He’s taken a £100M team from the Championship and turned them into a team that went toe to toe against us and ran us ragged.

In short, we have a world class squad for playing a certain way. From here, they need to be COACHED on how to play against threats.

When Son scored, you could see Pep making it clear they’d talked about this but still fallen for it in the 5th minute. That’s frustrating against a strong club. But, it changed absolutely nothing, because we came with Plan A, and by God, we are going to stick with it until the end!

It is clear to me the core players are absolutely knackered, or injured, and others that are playing are carrying knocks. Others seem simply befuddled as to what the Plan A is when they get the ball and play their own game, in their own heads, rather than a cohesive, well thought out plan that they fit into.

For me, it’s time to play a 4-4-2/4-2-4, with defenders defending, 2 defensive minded midfielders and two attacking midfielders who can join the attack. It still provides us with a 6 man attacking “shell,” but it also allows us to transition into a 6 man defensive shell when we lose the ball, while expecting the 4 to close it down and stop the counterattack.

That would mean not always losing two players to hog the touchline, and would mean using an extra midfielder for more defensive purposes, but needs must, because we are now 5 points behind the leaders IF we win our game in hand.

Good luck to us all!
Excellent post and some very interesting observations. For what it is worth I would like us to play 3 at the back. I know it has not worked in the past but with dias we may be able to succeed.

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What a depressing Weekend in football terms. Made even worse by the Scouse c***s beating Leicester.
That Liecester performance was absolutely abysmal but it shows you what happens when you take your chances & defend property
 
OK, let's be more precise.

After the second goal, as you say, but not immediately after. The team kept fighting to get back in the game, but the goal did not come. "Progressive disappointmet" within a group of people, behind in the scoreline from minute 5, dominating the game ever since, experiencing a fine goal being disallowed for ridiculous reasons in the meantime...

A group of people already living a reality they're not familiar with, by the way. With a gap from the teams leading the table. With a will to deliver to which their organisms, bodies and legs, fail to respond as they used to. And with the clock ticking, their energy gradually dropping more and more, after entering the opposition's box again and again, watching teammate after teammate undecisive to make the crucial final move, taking half a second longer to make that final pass or shot (needless to say, that same teammate would then need to get back to position and find his composure again, while dealing with the guilt for letting the down...), witnessing shot after shot being blocked in a sea of legs, header after header going straight to Lloris's arms, experiencing numerous promising situations being wasted, and so on, and so on, yes, perhaps in the final stages of the match they began to accept that this would be "one of those bitter days"...

I was watching it in the comfort of my livingroom and, as was told afterwards, nobody dared to enter the room nevermind even talk to me during the match. My swearing was totally uncontrolled, they said, and well heard outside the apparment -not for the first time, may I add. That was the reaction of a guy (and thousands of City fans I assume) watching the match thousands of miles away from London. These people were living it live, having all the responsibility to make things right. Which they definitely deserved -and, I'm sorry, I'm not going to get into stats to support this, I know what I saw...

They're only humans, my friend, that's what I'm trying to say, I guess. I see people focusing on their wages. Yes, they're paid money, good money, very good money indeed. But that's the fucking rule of demand and supply, furthermore that's the reality of the world we live in. I would prefer our society to appreciate and pay more for the services of teachers and doctors, but unfortunately that's not the case, is it? And it would be ridiculous to blame a certain Kevin de Bruyne for this, for example, it's not his fault. Yes, they are paid much money, yet they're still humans. Ordinary boys, athletes, not intellectuals, making a living through football. But lack of effort? I'm sorry, I disagree...

A word about City's transfer strategy
Given the opportunity, let me highlight another point some sensible voices have already mentioned in the forum. I myself have serious questions regarding the priorities and certain aspects of City's transfer strategy. But people forget some basic principles that strategy fulfills, in a consistent manner. City basically invests in youth, in talent, while at the same time chases all existing trophies. Not exactly the norm, is it? Extremely difficult and complicated. For decades Madrid, for example, had adopted the galacticos concept, buying complete, expensive players year after year. I don't know how many of them were actually destroyed during that process, with a crowd educated to ask for new faces, new "meat in the arena" every single season. We have chosen the hardest path, fighting in every existing front while developing people like Phil, Leroy and Gabby, improving others like Raheem, even the senior ones...

Feran (and Rodri) was the weak link vs Liverpool, in terms of his impact in the match. Three week later, he was better last night, still far away from the level we expect though. Joao is still unestablished, his cautiousness, hesitation and insecurity have been obvious in his performance. But he kept being trusted regardless of the consequences in terms of results, and is gradually starting to express himself, revealing the reasons he was brought in the squad. I could go on and on, so many players in the squad -while different, unique cases- are still young (or relatively young), not yet the finished article. Still learning, still adapting. It's a process (which is not linear, by the way, I want to be clear about that), it will take time, it's deterministic. Us fans need to support this process long term, us fans need to be patient...

A word about Josep Guardiola
A final comment I've been trying to avoid for ages (I think people reading my posts can understand why). It's relatively easy to make comparisons between the human resources available to this manager and his predecessors. Not long ago this squad had like 4 complete, experienced, tested strikers, for example. I will never forget that, in his first season, Guardiola had an injury prone Sergio (who also missed matches due to that fucking red card...) and a kid who was simply not good enough for City. I have nothing against him, he's a fine guy, just that his quality was not up to the standard needed. Guardiola did not complain. City visited Old Trafford and won with that kid, with the manager saying afterwards that the team selection was a clear message to his players: we would still play with 3 upfront, we would still play with a striker (even without Sergio) because our objective was to win. The plan was to wait for Gabby in January who seemed ready from his first minutes on the pitch. That is certainly not the norm though, is it? Especially for a youngster. You will have to assume that the boy will need time...

It's impossible for me to fathom decisions such as the above, for a club like City. Guardiola inherited a gradually ageing squad (that goes even for players with a key role during his tenure, world class players at their peak for his predecessors). Corrective actions implemented the following season could -and should- have been made during the summer of 2016. It's a pity the media and people in this forum record that 2016-17 season as a failure, simply because it was trophyless. You won't find an argument more ridiculous and unfair than that. Exactly because it was the period during which the foundations were built. An extremely important period, what followed was relatively easier, based on the quality of work (and the above mentioned corrective actions) delivered before...

Guardiola started vs Liverpool with Feran, a kid, and young Gabby, having just returned from long injury (Sergio still injured), while other players had been playing every 3 days non stop. Gabby did deliver, it was fantastic, but it was also a fucking risk. Not even Pep or his staff could possibly predict how the boy would respond, the uncertainty was inevitable. He had no other choice though, he had to take that risk. Personally I was crossing my fingers, and I was absolutely delighted with his performance...

Let's just ask ourselves, for a momment, if the above mentioned reality could ever be possible for a club with ámbitions similar to the ones of City. Of course Pep will never use such an argument, he's too decent for that, it's me who's saying it. He will never complain about anything, on the contrary he will keep praising the club and supporting his players, the right and decent thing to do...

A word about Pep's mistakes (or "mistakes")
Has he made mistakes? Absolutely. Could some of these mistakes have been avoided? 4 years ago, in my first ever post in this forum, I made it pretty clear that I will support his vision to death. That's where I still stand today, even more fanatically. But I've also tried to make people understand that, by hiring Guardiola, you get the whole "package", it's inevitable. A man obsessed with his dream. I even went on saying that his judgement will not always be right, exactly because of who he is...

What we've experienced in the meantime is beyond imagination. Totally inconceivable without his presence, he's the architect, the mind behind all this. But football is not a "one man show". Pep has given everything for City, his very soul. No other manager in the history of football has delivered / will ever deliver so much in such a small period of time, with that level of quality. His mistakes? Under different circumstances I feel there would be room for a fruitful discussion regarding tactical elements / patterns City could add to their game, defensively as well as offensively, so as to be more competitive. As long as there is respect for the man and what he has achived, of course. For others (of his mistakes), the source is his pure voluntarism. Which made that 2018-19 run possible, un unbelievable achievement through sacrifice, while missing key players etc. Simply inconceivable without Pep's inspiration, those men nearly died out there on the pitch. Some of them still suffer the consequences... The kind of will that made possible that 0-1 turning into 3-1 vs Barca (clearly ahead of City in all aspects at that moment) in 2016. The same will that kept him blind 3 days later, in that bitter 1-1 vs Boro at home (which could easily have been avoided)...

And of course there are others, like the Lyon game. Haven''t talked about it and I'm not going to. Or that fucking second half vs Wolves away, another historic low, you cannot recognise Guardiola at City's bench in that match, it's definitely not him making those decisions. Explanation? The guy lives with us like 4 fucking years in a row, is it so difficult to understand how he operates? The passion, the intensity with which he lives his job? The desire to deliver, make everything perfect, move the club forward? The pressure is unfathomable, and let's not forget that Guardiola was not used to working in hostile environments. Barcelona and Bayern represent the elite, entities well protected. At City he faced war from day 1. Whatever he had been told perhaps, however well he might have been prepared, I don't think he ever expected that experience vs Conte's Chelsea at home in 2016, for example. Which must have been a major shock for him (as it was for myself)...

There will always occur those sensitive, critical moments where everything is on the line. All of us share similar experiences. The thing is, when you're mentally tired and stressed, how unusual is it to start having doubts about yourself, your plan, the people who will apply it? The moment doubt or fear penetrates your heart, rationalism gets out of the window, you're fucked, as simple as that...

That is why in that very first post of mine I asked for the club to support the man, all the way. Identifying, at the same time, the nature of the problem. I'm not going to get into that again, it will probably end to an unpopular discussion. I was as clear and aggressive as I can be describing it, plus it doesn't matter anyway. Which means I'm not optimistic it will be solved in the near future. We are talking about specific structural limitations, let me put it this way, which influence the quality and correctness of serious decisions...

I have noticed people mentioning Guardiola needs to be challenged. Interesting. Very interesting indeed. Question: Who's going to do it? Who the fuck is able to do it? And what would be the prerequisite for that? Good connections in the football industry? An expertise (???, just saying) in the field of negotiations? Or in the area of management (???, just saying) in general? Well, this stuff is helpful, but definitely not enough. You need fucking good knowledge, genuine KNOWLEDGE and understanding of the sport in all aspects of its complexity in the modern era. Provided you do possess that knowledge (1) and, at the same time, the right position in the hierarchy (2), then, yes, you can indeed make / contribute to serious decisions, assuming the relevant responsibility, of course...

The kind of decisions regarding the suitability of City's scouting team. Which needs to be evaluated continuously. Or regarding the efficiency of the staff responsible for fitness. An area extremely demanding under Pep's regime. Or, in terms of transfer strategy, regarding the incorporation of a certain particular player with certain particular attributes. Now, not later, because of a specific reason. In the framework of a transfer plan periodically reassessed and updated. Or regarding the people assigned to assist the manager. From whom we seek added value, given the specific knowledge and personality they would be expected to possess. And so on, and so on, and so on...

It's not that simple, you see. You need knowledge and people with knowledge that will help you identify problems and work towards their solutions. You need methodologies, tools, sets of indicators and criteria etc etc etc, to assess performances and make corrective actions. While, at the same time, following developments in the market regarding opportunities in terms of personnel...

Am I asking for not respecting Pep's opinion regarding these matters? Absolutely not, categorically not, I don't even believe in such a model. But you cannot expect from the man to be an expert in every fucking field, or to be able to objectively evaluate people he loves and trusts, or to possess all possible information about a subject in a given moment. For example, it would be logical for Pep -and I'm just guessing here- to ask for some time in order to evaluate the capabilities of Kelechi and the 4 fullbacks he inherited when he arrived at the club. Somebody with knowledge and authority, a person whose professional opinion Guardiola would respect, should have been able to convince him that this would only result in a waste of time. In such a scenario, these men would have been replaced a year earlier. We now know that, had this decision been made, its impact to the team's performance, progress and goals would have been positive...

As I said, I'm not optimistic these limitations will disappear in the near future. Until then, it will keep being a "one man show", even if it's not supposed to be that way. And personally I will keep trusting in the manager, hoping that eventually he will get everything right. He's an extremely intelligent man, his history speaks for himself and his perfectionism is well known anyway, I mean football is like torture for him. Furthermore, I am grateful to the people running the club for convincing him to renew. I can only assume they share the same position with me: Under Guardiola, City is "more than a club". Under Guardiola, City represents an idea (and an ideal) of a certain way of -approaching and- playing football...

That is why I talked about a "strategic priority" in a previous post. Which was not introduced with Guardiola, some people have mentioned this in the forum -and I agree. It began with Manuel, a man I will always respect, having followed his work since his Villareal days, later with Malaga etc. Pep, younger than Manuel, represents a significant upgrade on the latter. For people understanding this -strategic- concept, I need to say no more...

PS. Just reading it before posting. If mods feel certain sections are off topic, they are free to use its content as they wish.
Wow ....fantastic post
 
Its basically a classic rope-a-dope tactic.

Allow us to dominate possession and push higher up the pitch, make our players believe they have total control within oppositions own half then bang...force the error or allow our play to break down and counter with speed and get a shot off

Opposition teams are allowing us to compress the pitch to the half way line because they know they can set the trap for the counter

It isnt rocket science anymore, it is becoming painful to see that we continuously fall for it
 
Tried to stay off and get myself some perspective, but my feelings haven’t changed. Apologies for not reading the previous 130 odd pages.

Domination of the ball is not a statistic that wins games. Penetration with the ball does.

The tactics we currently employ are decades old, and at least 2 years past their sell by date in the Premier League...unless we are literally almost perfect. Sadly, there is no Plan B, no forward to cross the ball to while looking to pick up second balls.

Peps game is moving the ball to move the opposition, to create the space to exploit.

There are 3 key factors missing from that equation today:

1) Teams play a 10 man defence (1-5-4) to close those spaces, and

2) We move the ball too slowly to exploit the spaces that MAY have been there before they collapsed into their defensive shell.

3) IF we do find ourselves breaching that first line of defence, squeezing between the lines, we are STILL looking for another inch perfect pass to lay it on for someone else.

We STILL do not know how to defend the 8/10 slot.

On goal #1, Cancelo looked more concerned with Aurier than Son, and £100M+ of centre backs BOTH got sucked in to Kane when he dropped off, leaving the entire field in behind them wide open. Cancelo vs Son with a 5 yard start for Son is no contest. Throw in Ederson once again defending no man’s land and it’s 1-0, with one pass, one touch, one shot.

1 shot, 1 goal. Typical City.

On goal #2, we are attacking. Mahrez lazily wanders in from the right wing, where Walker has joined him, and plays a loose square ball. We have committed players to a slow, if not stagnant, attack and thus KEEPING THE BALL is required. Sloppy pass and they’re away. A 3 on 3 becomes a 4 on 3 as KDB can’t catch Lo Celso down our right. One looks for EITHER Walker getting back (I think he was still in their half when the ball went in!) or a Centre Back coming across to close him down or even the DM sliding across. Nope...wide open down our right, into the box, slotted through the legs, game over!

Oh wait, no...maybe time for a sub???!!!

I’m not sure how many people it takes to show Pep the stats...

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...but it’s EVERY GAME NOW FOR TWO YEARS!

The “stats” say it must have been a 4-0, or maybe 3-1 AT WORST, but it’s the same story every time the “Rondo in and around the box” doesn’t pay off!

Smash & Grab!

2 shots, 2 goals!

The build up is so slow, there is virtually zero chance of getting in behind. Yesterday, when we tried to slot the ball inside the full back for the winger or attacking full back, it was either misread, too tight, or simply a shit ball that gave the player no chance.

Against teams we know will sit in and break, we over expose ourselves, because we FEEL like we are dominating them in their space. Average field position for almost every game has our deepest defender in their half and our midfield camped around a 20-30m semi-circle around their goal.

However, the key word is CAMPED!

By the time we have collapsed them into two banks (6-3 yesterday), we have not only removed the spaces in which we want to play, but we have made those spaces easier to defend, because every team knows the ball is staying on the ground and we are going to try to pass-pass-dribble our way through.
As a defender against that, you don’t need precision, you need a touch, a bobble, a poor pass or uncontrolled dribble and you will successfully defend it.

Throw that repetitive method of attack at an organized defence and it’s unlikely to yield results, especially if no one is even looking to kick a ball back out to the edge of the box for a shot through the crowded box.

Our game has been to exploit the whole “defend the box” mentality, by getting players around it for the cut back or cross along the 6 yard line. Did we have a single attempt at that yesterday, or IF we got into that position did the winger feel the need to beat the player over and over and over again, or simply run it out of play (!!!) rather than whip it in?

We need to put Rondo to bed for a few weeks. It’s engrained in the players to the point they have forgotten everything else.

Instead, we need to start moving the ball around for a shot from the edge of the box. Once you start to demand being closed down there, the gaps start to open for either the shot OR the blind pass...or was David Silva the only player good enough to do that?

Back to basics.

A goalkeeper who doesn’t see every ball within 30m of his goal as a challenge.

Full backs who put as much effort into defending as attacking.

Centre backs talking about who is going and who is dropping, and know how to scream at midfielders who are not tracking their runners in the 8/10 slots...which is where our weak underbelly is and has been for at least 2.25 seasons now.

A midfield that understands their PRIMARY goal is to dominate the opposition midfield and control the game, not just be the 4th, 5th and 6th attacker. Also, track their runner on the counter attack. If you’re too knackered to do that for 90 minutes, take a look at yourself and where you’re expending your effort, because our whole game is about knackering the opposition by chasing the ball we own.

A forward line who doesn’t pass up the opportunity to shoot on sight and, instead, looks to either dribble, head down through a 6 man wall or look to pass the ball through a thicket of legs to someone else, so they can do the same! A forward line that takes a chance on a shot and is constantly looking for the deflection, the keepers parry, etc...

Lastly, a manager who steps back from Cruyff and takes a look at how Fergie, Shankly, Klopp, Mourinho, and even Wenger approached the game. Is there NOTHING TO LEARN from decades of success managers in Britain?

Make no mistake, I have never personally seen football as good as Pep’s City in full flow. On our day, we have the ability to easily score 10 goals. However, other managers see those days, too, and they set up their teams to frustrate, nullify, and maybe nick a set piece goal. The good managers with the good teams set them up to counter attack us at speed, because we have shown the world it is our Achilles Heel.

In addition, IMHO, football has moved on from the 5’ 8” player being a game changer, unless he is absolutely world class. Today, the game is about athleticism and power combined with technique, where technique is not always the #1 attribute, but a perfect compliment to the physical presence the player brings to bear on the game.

There are obvious exceptions, with Messi and David Silva immediately springing to mind, but from there the list trails off dramatically...and those are yesterday’s players!

Today, 5’10” is minimum height for a player in almost any position, with 6’ being an ideal. Throw in a gym-honed body and lungs that don’t burn until the 85th minute, at the earliest. THAT is the new generation of players that will dominate football going forward. They will be the foundation of all clubs, allowing that 5’7” wizard to play in the spaces on occasion.

We live in the age of defend and counter, defend and counter, not dominate but show your arse when you lose the ball!

We are a lightweight team. We do not physically match up to the top teams, either in England or Europe, and it’s beginning to peel back the veneer of supposed Pep Ball invincibility. Look at Bielsa. He’s taken a £100M team from the Championship and turned them into a team that went toe to toe against us and ran us ragged.

In short, we have a world class squad for playing a certain way. From here, they need to be COACHED on how to play against threats.

When Son scored, you could see Pep making it clear they’d talked about this but still fallen for it in the 5th minute. That’s frustrating against a strong club. But, it changed absolutely nothing, because we came with Plan A, and by God, we are going to stick with it until the end!

It is clear to me the core players are absolutely knackered, or injured, and others that are playing are carrying knocks. Others seem simply befuddled as to what the Plan A is when they get the ball and play their own game, in their own heads, rather than a cohesive, well thought out plan that they fit into.

For me, it’s time to play a 4-4-2/4-2-4, with defenders defending, 2 defensive minded midfielders and two attacking midfielders who can join the attack. It still provides us with a 6 man attacking “shell,” but it also allows us to transition into a 6 man defensive shell when we lose the ball, while expecting the 4 to close it down and stop the counterattack.

That would mean not always losing two players to hog the touchline, and would mean using an extra midfielder for more defensive purposes, but needs must, because we are now 5 points behind the leaders IF we win our game in hand.

Good luck to us all!
Great post
 
Its basically a classic rope-a-dope tactic.

Allow us to dominate possession and push higher up the pitch, make our players believe they have total control within oppositions own half then bang...force the error or allow our play to break down and counter with speed and get a shot off

Opposition teams are allowing us to compress the pitch to the half way line because they know they can set the trap for the counter

It isnt rocket science anymore, it is becoming painful to see that we continuously fall for it
We are in one of those periods again when within 10 minutes of the game starting you know what will happen, and Bingo! there it is. Really dissappointed with the whole malaise that's gripped the team and Pep.
 

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