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We weren't poor, but we couldn't control the game. We didn't dominate them, as we struggled with their press.

Bernardo wasn't in form vs Spurs, mostly in advanced positions, but he has shown he's more press-resistant than most players.

Top form Bernardo/peak Bernado was totally press resistant. I'm not sure the one we've had for the last 12 months I would characterise as press resistant. Still got legs and can run in bursts but the physical side of the game, especially against teams as big and aggressive as Spurs, will be tricky for him.
 
We were much better than people are talking about in the first hour of the game. Even our build up is fine for a large portion of that period before Bernardo comes on. We go long and create chances, and we play through the lines and create chances.

Spurs were more aggressive than us in moments, but that felt like a fitness/rhythm thing to me. When Bernardo came on the team got demonstrably worse because he lost three or four duels and gave the ball away. Team didn't really recover until Pep brought Foden on and shifted Bernardo out to the right wing.

That same team that started on Saturday will take someone apart big time in the next couple of months. They're really not that far away. People talking about pace and high lines just feels like the same boring cliches we've had throughout Pep's time at City.

I disagree wholeheartedly. Football is and will always be framed by the result. It's normal that most people's perceptions of the match on first watch will be incredibly negative. Having watched it back, City should've been leading by two goals by the time Spurs score their first. They should have had a nailed on penalty early in the second half. They should've scored with the last corner of the first half too. So no, it's not that simple.
Should haves and could haves don’t win games of PL football.

It was wank. Sugar coating it doesn’t change that.
 
We were much better than people are talking about in the first hour of the game. Even our build up is fine for a large portion of that period before Bernardo comes on. We go long and create chances, and we play through the lines and create chances.

Spurs were more aggressive than us in moments, but that felt like a fitness/rhythm thing to me. When Bernardo came on the team got demonstrably worse because he lost three or four duels and gave the ball away. Team didn't really recover until Pep brought Foden on and shifted Bernardo out to the right wing.

That same team that started on Saturday will take someone apart big time in the next couple of months. They're really not that far away. People talking about pace and high lines just feels like the same boring cliches we've had throughout Pep's time at City.
Agree we looked pretty good initially ……the turning points, the injury to Ait Nouri and obviously the first goal.

Was really pleased with the starting line up, although Marmoush is not good enough plus the set up left us outnumbered in midfield with Reeinders sometimes playing as a second number 10.

We have somehow got to get/keep Cherki in the starting 11…….he is by far the most creative option we have.

It’s why Pep gets paid big bucks to sort out the conundrum.
 
Agree we looked pretty good initially ……the turning points, the injury to Ait Nouri and obviously the first goal.

Was really pleased with the starting line up, although Marmoush is not good enough plus the set up left us outnumbered in midfield with Reeinders sometimes playing as a second number 10.

We have somehow got to get/keep Cherki in the starting 11…….he is by far the most creative option we have.

It’s why Pep gets paid big bucks to sort out the conundrum.

We got worse after Cherki went off. Pep will have noticed that. Think Marmoush needs to settle down a little bit and remember that he can pass the ball. Him and Reijnders were a little too rushed in every action yesterday and Marmoush in particular made a couple of really bad decisions in key moments. But I like him a lot as a player.
 
so its wank if we lose and good if we win, right?
It’s wank if it’s wank mate.

I was very vocal that early last season when we were getting results it was wank and we were miles off it. I got laughed at. Look how it turned out.

I was again in the minority last week when I said not to get carried away re the Wolves result. I described Wolves as wank, because they were/are.

Saturday was wank it’s that simple.

That’s not to say it will stay that way. It’s early, there is plenty of time to gel and produce much, much better performances. I’m very hopeful we will.

But to deny that Saturday was anything but wank is silly.
 
so its wank if we lose and good if we win, right?

To be honest though, I did think the performance was wank. We looked physically miles off it, Spurs bullied us all over the pitch and we didn't sustain attacks or create anywhere near enough. We lacked bravery in the midfield and played a high line that was always going to be susceptible to a team with Kudus and Johnson in it, particularly when you're playing Rico Lewis who's just not good enough.

Rewatching the game highlighted to me just how poor the midfield was. Nobody was brave and the right hand side looked like it had a massive lack of physicality. In the second half when we were chasing the game we barely created a meaningful chance.
 
To be honest though, I did think the performance was wank. We looked physically miles off it, Spurs bullied us all over the pitch and we didn't sustain attacks or create anywhere near enough. We lacked bravery in the midfield and played a high line that was always going to be susceptible to a team with Kudus and Johnson in it, particularly when you're playing Rico Lewis who's just not good enough.

Rewatching the game highlighted to me just how poor the midfield was. Nobody was brave and the right hand side looked like it had a massive lack of physicality. In the second half when we were chasing the game we barely created a meaningful chance.
That keystone cops goal on half time killed the crowd and the team. Just played out a training game 2nd half and accepted defeat. Our horrific record against the big boys the last two seasons shows we are not elite anymore
 
For the life of me I couldn’t remember any other goal other than Sergio’s in that match. Funnily enough, I remember more Kompany outstripping Aubemeyang when Arsenal were on the attack at 0-0. My heart was in my mouth at the time. This morning I thought long and hard and then Kompany’s goal came to me. I’m going to get the match up later to refresh my memory. It’s funny how I seem to remember the away fixture in the next match better than the final.
I’m inclined to agree with you about fingers crossed for improvement. It’s going to be an interesting season ahead that’s for certain.
Yes I recall the Aubamyang incident, it was after about 5-10 minutes in. Serg scored from a long Bravo punt, Vinnie scored the second and had told Carla that he was going to score that day. The Arse AWAY game was later that week when shedloads of our lads and lassies braved the snow for the 200 mile journey, whilst those soft fair weather Tarquins stayed at home. How I would love to humiliate them again, but sadly I fear those days are long gone.
 
It’s wank if it’s wank mate.

I was very vocal that early last season when we were getting results it was wank and we were miles off it. I got laughed at. Look how it turned out.

I was again in the minority last week when I said not to get carried away re the Wolves result. I described Wolves as wank, because they were/are.

Saturday was wank it’s that simple.

That’s not to say it will stay that way. It’s early, there is plenty of time to gel and produce much, much better performances. I’m very hopeful we will.

But to deny that Saturday was anything but wank is silly.
I think it was Fulham and Brentford at home last season relatively early doors where we won but it was very iffy. The implosion followed soon after in late Autumn. Like you say, too early to call it but we could really do with shaking that shite from Sat out of our system.
 
Not for one minute do I think it’d have changed the result, as you could easily argue about the Trafford non-sending off being an awful mistake too, but I’ve just seen ref watch and for the first time seen the penalty not being given for VDV on Bobb as it was opposite end of the ground from where I sit. I just want to know, other than the obvious plays in blue & it’s City, why VAR did not get involved and give the decision? It’s just plain wrong and this is exactly the kind of incident that we should be kicking up a fuss about and requesting an explanation.

We’ve seen Arsenal get a pen for less contact, and ffs they were 4-0 up at the time.

It’s just not acceptable or good enough and I don’t understand why we don’t highlight these inconsistencies and call out the piss poor double standard refereeing.
 
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We been undercooked, Tottenham been much better fitness wise and its understentable, they played super cup, had all the preseason to prepare very well.

We should be much closer to our optimal fitness and match sharpness after the international break, meaning for the United and Arsenal games. All the hope is that we outsmart Brighton and take 3 points.

I watched the game again, once the dust had settled, calmly, now my reservations:
1) unfortunately Nico been so off it. Positioning, awareness, spotting the threat. Im sorry Nico, but you are my main culprit hear. For Nico's defence - point 2 below,
2) Cherki + Reijnders in the middle gonna be a rare picture against top teams, until at least Rodri gets to his old best, because we need there a bit more of the legs and defensive solidity. Reijnders was disjointed with Nico and left Nico alone too often,
3) I love Bobb, but thought he could press a little harder at times, while Cherki pressed the goalkeeper incorrectly; he should have cut off the passing channel to the fullback, but instead he ran directly at the goalkeeper.
4) Rico still needs to keep developing, including athletically. He’s good enough for half of the Premier League teams, which is a huge achievement, but to compete with top teams and players, he has to be better.

Generally all players below par, for me maybe Dias and Haaland deserves the shout. Marmoush fought well, but just must hit the net out of three decent chances at least once. Would be 1-0 and the story of the game could have been entirely different
 
We were much better than people are talking about in the first hour of the game. Even our build up is fine for a large portion of that period before Bernardo comes on. We go long and create chances, and we play through the lines and create chances.

Spurs were more aggressive than us in moments, but that felt like a fitness/rhythm thing to me. When Bernardo came on the team got demonstrably worse because he lost three or four duels and gave the ball away. Team didn't really recover until Pep brought Foden on and shifted Bernardo out to the right wing.

That same team that started on Saturday will take someone apart big time in the next couple of months. They're really not that far away. People talking about pace and high lines just feels like the same boring cliches we've had throughout Pep's time at City.
Utter nonsense, It was the worst we've played since the Alan Ball era and as much as you'd like to sugar coat it, that is the brutal truth. But keep posting positives and accept a 7th to 10th placed finish if you like.
 

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