Spurs (H) Post Match Thread

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

I disagree there, I think the important bit is where it says 'a player gains control/possession of the ball after it has touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity'.
With the ball only glancing off Laporte's arm at no point did he have control or possession of the ball so there was no way he could do anything involving an 'and then'.
The rule is written to prevent occasions where a ball accidentally hits a players arm and the ball either drops to the players feet or is diverted towards a teammate. A ball brushing a players arm does not constitute 'control or possesion'.

Ah but these are the LotG as they are written. If only refs and assorted boffins, or is it buffoons, in the VAR shed applied those Laws as they are written. They seem to get interpreted in our games that never is replicated in others. The description of a Salah penalty will never be used to describe what happened to Rodri. I have come to the conclusion there are two quite separate editions of the LotG - there's one out in the public domain that we can all see, read, digest and understand, and there's the one that Oliver and a few other refs use when they have our game! Bastards!

 

[kaz7]

DeBruyneKev on new signings Rodri and Joao Cancelo: “They are doing really well. Joao [Cancelo] only joined us last week so he probably needs a bit more adjusting [time], but both of them will really help us to play well.”

“We played well and I think we deserved to win. The team played really well and played offensively the way we want to play. We didn’t get the three points but that’s the only thing we didn’t get..."

“We want to win every game but it’s very difficult. We deserved to win and we will go again next week and everything will be fine.” [via @ManCity]

 

[Kippaxblue5]

Where's the pic of Rodri being strangled? Has it been removed in case it offends VAR Officials?

Sorry about that. I was on the phone telling the VAR chaps that the game had started.

 

[Thomas Hearns]

What a marvellous performance regardless of the result. Play anything like that most weeks and we’ll win the league.

The poverty of Spurs’ aspirations was shocking, what a fucking miserable, horrible team they are. The only thing more miserable and horrible than them was the referee whose performance in awarding them free kick after free kick for at best 50/50 challenges was either incompetent or corrupt. His bias was so obvious as to be laughable. How’s that allowed to happen ?

 

[daztrueblue91]

It was an odd game

Of course, by any normal standards that is a 5-0 game.

Notwithstanding City’s excellence, Spurs were particularly pathetic.

It is odd that Spurs only committed 4 fouls. Normally under this type of pressure we’d break the game up.

It is odd the goals City conceded. Were they not soft even by soft goals standards? Moura is the smallest player on the pitch?

The surprising VAR decisions?

It was almost as if someone wanted it to finish 2-2

Anyway, it’s a point.

We played much better yesterday than we did in the game against Chelsea last season where we won 6-0.

In fact, I’d even say that was our best performance under Pep. We dominated a title challenger for 85 mins and limited them to two half chances.

If we play to that standard every week then we’ll do an invincible season.

 

[simon23]

a player gains control/possession of the ball after it has touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity

But surely he never gained control of the ball so whether it went on to create a goal-scoring opportunity is irrelevant?

its the or creates a goal scoring opportunity bit that is why the goal was disallowed - completely non deliberate but still it helped create the opportnity and was part of the build up

 

[simon23]

I disagree there, I think the important bit is where it says 'a player gains control/possession of the ball after it has touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity'.
With the ball only glancing off Laporte's arm at no point did he have control or possession of the ball so there was no way he could do anything involving an 'and then'.
The rule is written to prevent occasions where a ball accidentally hits a players arm and the ball either drops to the players feet or is diverted towards a teammate. A ball brushing a players arm does not constitute 'control or possesion'.

you can disagree all you want....there is an or in the sentance and that stipulates that if a hand ball (deliberate or not) creates a goal scoring opportunity - which it did...its there in black and white...no he never had control of the ball or possession but the or bit is the important bit and the ref has interpirted it corretly.

 

[simon23]

Not sure how anyone without an agenda can say it wasn’t a foul on Rodri. Incomprehensible that anyone looking at that can say no foul. Can only draw the conclusion that someone is bent

i agree it was a foul but it happens all the time even before VAR - the accusations of bias/bent ref's is a very old argument.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

It was an odd game

Of course, by any normal standards that is a 5-0 game.

Notwithstanding City’s excellence, Spurs were particularly pathetic.

It is odd that Spurs only committed 4 fouls. Normally under this type of pressure we’d break the game up.

It is odd the goals City conceded. Were they not soft even by soft goals standards? Moura is the smallest player on the pitch?

The surprising VAR decisions?

It was almost as if someone wanted it to finish 2-2

Anyway, it’s a point.

According to the sage that is Neil Ashton in today's Sun, Spurs deserved their point for their resilience and never say die.

Obviously choosing to overlook the 30 missed chances and VAR decisions.

Apparently, it underlined Spurs' title challenger credentials.

I thought they were average at best and won't finish within 15 points of us.

 

[simon23]

Oliver

Oliver Did miss the foul on rodri for the pen. If u watch the footage back he is looking over to his right. By the time he is looking straight at the incident rodri is on the ground, so Oliver never saw it. That in my mind is a clear and obvious mistake that should have been reviewed by VAR!!

IF he did miss it as you say then yes.....but i think it was reviewed by VAR and Oliver indicated this in his conversation to the city player(s) who was speaking to him just after the incident....he pointed to his ear shaking his head - now i interprited that at the time as he had had the word that it wasnt a penalty - others have interprited it as he was saying it hadnt been reviewed - whats the facts of the matter I dont know.....

where was the linesman in all of this...surely he would have had a view on it as he should have been stood near to the corner flag and as the incident happened at the front post he should have had a view....he cleary didnt think it was a penalty either as he would have flagged surely.....so thats the lino who should have seen it, the ref you say was looking the other way but then VAR on reviewing it also thought that it wasnt.

Just to make it clear again, I think it was a penalty and that was without the aid of a replay and in real time and nothing ive seen since has made me think that it wasnt a penalty - but thats irrelevant.

 

[rnblade]

Watching the Laporte one back again, ok, it’s handball, but his arm wouldn’t be there if it wasn’t being GRABBED/PULLED by the defender, so therefore VAR should have either awarded a penalty or advantage.

The takedown of Rodri is just mind blowing. The cünt was looking right at it and bottled it, VAR should have made him look at a monitor, yet he booked Sterling 30 seconds later for the same thing.
And people say there’s no agenda??

 

[kaz7]

According to the sage that is Neil Ashton in today's Sun, Spurs deserved their point for their resilience and never say die.

Obviously choosing to overlook the 30 missed chances and VAR decisions.

Apparently, it underlined Spurs' title challenger credentials.

I thought they were average at best and won't finish within 15 points of us.

And ignore sir harry stayed at home again,a title contender shouldn't be playing like a small team

 

[simon23]

According to the sage that is Neil Ashton in today's Sun, Spurs deserved their point for their resilience and never say die.

Obviously choosing to overlook the 30 missed chances and VAR decisions.

Apparently, it underlined Spurs' title challenger credentials.

I thought they were average at best and won't finish within 15 points of us.

I thought spurs were poor as well but they were missing Son who adds an awful lot to them...but i agree we absolutely battered them off the park...lapses in defense and poor finishing/final ball let us down as well as a what i belive was a stone wall penalty being denied.

 

[TueartsOHK]

I’m still fucking livid about yesterday. The more I think about it the more wound up I get.

As a lot have said on here I can live with the handball decision although I don’t agree with the ruling. They are trying to make something black and white which it often isn’t. What has ruined it for me is that it appears that we are using VAR to see if there is any reason at all why a goal should be disallowed. It’s being used in a negative way.

Worst of all we have taken all the joy out of scoring late winners. No one could see that hand ball in real time - I couldn’t really see a lot wrong when they slowed it down so I saw no reason not to celebrate. The Aguero moment has gone forever and to me as a fan that’s a massive loss against the advantage of getting the so called “right decision”. It’s only when the Rags or the Dippers are on the receiving end of one of these decisions that people will take notice - if it ever happens.

 

[simon23]

Watching the Laporte one back again, ok, it’s handball, but his arm wouldn’t be there if it wasn’t being GRABBED/PULLED by the defender, so therefore VAR should have either awarded a penalty or advantage.

The takedown of Rodri is just mind blowing. The cünt was looking right at it and bottled it, VAR should have made him look at a monitor, yet he booked Sterling 30 seconds later for the same thing.
And people say there’s no agenda??

according to some on here the ref wasnt looking at the incident between rodri and lamela...ive not seen the angle of the replay where you can see the ref and what he is doing when it happens to form an opinion

 

[kaz7]

IF he did miss it as you say then yes.....but i think it was reviewed by VAR and Oliver indicated this in his conversation to the city player(s) who was speaking to him just after the incident....he pointed to his ear shaking his head - now i interprited that at the time as he had had the word that it wasnt a penalty - others have interprited it as he was saying it hadnt been reviewed - whats the facts of the matter I dont know.....

where was the linesman in all of this...surely he would have had a view on it as he should have been stood near to the corner flag and as the incident happened at the front post he should have had a view....he cleary didnt think it was a penalty either as he would have flagged surely.....so thats the lino who should have seen it, the ref you say was looking the other way but then VAR on reviewing it also thought that it wasnt.

Just to make it clear again, I think it was a penalty and that was without the aid of a replay and in real time and nothing ive seen since has made me think that it wasnt a penalty - but thats irrelevant.

Forget var,it was a penalty in old money as well,he still has to ref the game,he is a bottler has been for years,he booked raz for doing the same outside of the box,so there is no excuse for not giving a foul in the box,if var did say no pen then he needs fucking sacking,the sooner you get that twice in a week we have got shafted the better,the first time salad gets thrown to the floor he wil get a pen

 

[sam 1980]

according to some on here the ref wasnt looking at the incident between rodri and lamela...ive not seen the angle of the replay where you can see the ref and what he is doing when it happens to form an opinion

If he wasn’t looking that makes it easier for him. All he has to say to the VAR team he didn’t see it. They’ll then give it and he can tell the spurs players “don’t blame me VAR gave it”

 

[simon23]

Forget var,it was a penalty in old money as well,he still has to ref the game,he is a bottler has been for years,he booked raz for doing the same outside of the box,so there is no excuse for not giving a foul in the box,if var did say no pen then he needs fucking sacking,the sooner you get that twice in a week we have got shafted the better,the first time salad gets thrown to the floor he wil get a pen

Ive already said a lot of times that I believe it was a penalty for the challenge by Lamela on Rodri

what you need to get is that all teh bitchin and moaning aint going to change anything and nothing is going to change this season so you and others are going to have to get use to the new rules and VAR...

mistakes by refs (or corruption as Im sure you will see it) has always been part of the game....so its you that needs to get that....

 

[simon23]

If he wasn’t looking that makes it easier for him. All he has to say to the VAR team he didn’t see it. They’ll then give it and he can tell the spurs players “don’t blame me VAR gave it”

thats not accurate though....if he hasnt seen it VAr can give it...but the ref can review it as well on the pitch side monitors.

ive just seen the footage of the incident where you can see what the ref is doing...now for the first part of the foul by Lamela, as a couple of people have pointed out he aint looking at the incident, however he does see the second part of it and rodri is still on his feet or at elast on his way down and Lamela is in contact with him ......so the ref has seen part of the incident.....now he deems from what he has seen that it aint a penalty....Var dont think it is either.......me, you, all city fans and others think it is a penalty - this happens all the time with or without VAR. VAR could have checked it (and may well have done) and the outcoe would still be the same.....

I could be wrong on this (I dont know) but if VAR does over rule a ref's decision, teh ref will check this on the pitchside monitors and then make a final decision...he could still over rule VAR orgo with what they have said...does anyone know if this is the protocol or not?

 

[kaz7]

Ive already said a lot of times that I believe it was a penalty for the challenge by Lamela on Rodri

what you need to get is that all teh bitchin and moaning aint going to change anything and nothing is going to change this season so you and others are going to have to get use to the new rules and VAR...

mistakes by refs (or corruption as Im sure you will see it) has always been part of the game....so its you that needs to get that....

Sigh,no we don't have to get used to it,we are football fans who can't celebrate goals anymore,we should complain as much as possible,VAR is the single best thing that has happened to those who want to skew the game,you will never see any rag or dipper player thrown to the ground and not get a pen,we all know it,they have used us as experiments,clear and obvious went out of the window the 2nd we stepped out at west ham,funny only one other game has var been used to disallow a goal,the other games nothing,the law of averages there should have been more calls this weekend,so far out of 9 goals we have had 2 chalked off,3 var reviews,they strained everything to find raz offside and i'm yet to see for sure who touvhed the ball yesterday,now we are 2 points down and they don't have to explain fuck all,i was for var but this last week it's proved me wrong,very wrong
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