Spurs (H) - Post-Match Thread

The more I think about the game the more I reckon Pep should have started Zinchenko or Ake instead, or at least put one of them out there when it became obvious that Spurs were always going to have that spare man down their right, whether it was Emerson or Kulusevski. We do always seem to struggle against teams who go with 3-4-3 and I'm not sure why he didn't anticipate it sooner. Their disallowed goal came from Kulusevski getting into a good position on the right and being found with a long ball, then their winner eventually came from basically the same move. And whenever the ball bounced to Kane, Rodri was always distracted by something else. Rodri's our pacemaker and he lost his head after 5 mins yesterday, never to get it back.

Bad day all round for all our defensive players.

And for all the talk that "we need a striker for games like this", I don't even think we created a range of good enough chances for a striker to convert. I lost count of how many times Foden, Cancelo, or De Bruyne (whoever really) picked the ball up and couldn't work an angle. Spurs were happy for us to knock it back to Kevin because they always had enough men back to deal with it, and that was the story of the second half. It's why I was a bit disappointed when Sterling was taken off because he was the only lad trying something different - and it paid off with Gundogna's equaliser. Delap might have been worth a go in the last 10 minutes but Pep wanted control first and foremost, so I can understand why another substitute never came.

Our biggest problem, though, I thought, was how often we gave possession back after winning it high up the pitch. We'd all seize upon the ball in a really good area, but then proceed to play the pass without checking whether the player receiving it was even looking. Cancelo would nick it off one of theirs, and then rush a through ball to Sterling before Sterling was even on a run. Spurs would then nick it back, force it to Kane, and get going from there. All it said to me is that we were properly rattled by the first goal and couldn't calm down. Normally Gundogan acts as a calming influence but even he was on one. People have a go at Grealish for being too slow but he does such a terrific job of keeping the tempo at a simmer and prevents it from boiling over, as it did during the Spurs game.

But we move on. Liverpool will drop points between now and the end of the season - they've got Arsenal, West Ham, United, and a bunch of other tricky games coming up. They have to come to the Etihad and beat us, we all knew it was going to come down to that game anyway. We need 9 wins from 12 games to win the league, Liverpool will need to be almost perfect between now and the season's end. Let's see.
 
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They dragged us out of position and exploited it. Exactly like we feared they might. We didn’t control the game and gave the ball away continuously.

We’ll learn from this and move on. Still would rather be in our position than anyone else’s.
It'll happen again, hopefully in 2027, but it's a recurring nightmare of our pattern of play. If you are prone to a counter-attack then pace among the two or three defending is essential, and only Walker has it! We were suckered, and the head-shaking element of it is that it was three fuckin' times in one game.
 
The more I think about the game the more I reckon Pep should have started Zinchenko or Ake instead, or at least put one of them out there when it became obvious that Spurs were always going to have that spare man down their right, whether it was Emerson or Kulusevski. We do always seem to struggle against teams who go with 3-4-3 and I'm not sure why he didn't anticipate it sooner. Their disallowed goal came from Kulusevski getting into a good position on the right and being found with a long ball, then their winner eventually came from basically the same move. And whenever the ball bounced to Kane, Rodri was always distracted by something else. Rodri's our pacemaker and he lost his head after 5 mins yesterday, never to get it back.

Bad day all round for all our defensive players.

And for all the talk that "we need a striker for games like this", I don't even think we created a range of good enough chances for a striker to convert. I lost count of how many times Foden, Cancelo, or De Bruyne (whoever really) picked the ball up and couldn't work an angle. Spurs were happy for us to knock it back to Kevin because they always had enough men back to deal with it, and that was the story of the second half. It's why I was a bit disappointed when Sterling was taken off because he was the only lad trying something different - and it paid off with the equaliser. Delap might have been worth a go in the last 10 minutes but Pep wanted control first and foremost, so I can understand why another substitute never came.

Our biggest problem, though, I thought, was how often we gave possession back after winning it high up the pitch. We'd all seize upon the ball in a really good area, but then proceed to play the pass without checking whether the player receiving it was even looking. Cancelo would nick it off one of theirs, and then rush a through ball to Sterling before Sterling was even on a run. Spurs would then nick it back, force it to Kane, and get going from there. All it said to me is that we were properly rattled by the first goal and couldn't calm down. Normally Gundogan acts as a calming influence but even he was on one. People have a go at Grealish for being too slow but he does such a terrific job of keeping the tempo at a simmer and prevents it from boiling over, as it did during the Spurs game.

But we move on. Liverpool will drop points between now and the end of the season - they've got Arsenal, West Ham, United, and a bunch of other tricky games coming up. They have to come to the Etihad and beat us, we all knew it was going to come down to that game anyway. We need 9 wins from 12 games to win the league, Liverpool will need to be almost perfect between now and the season's end. Let's see.
Good post and agree with all of that. For all of my criticisms of Sterling, he at least makes things happen. Mahrez and Foden have skill to burn but rarely do they actually try to take a man on. Foden did it once (superbly) and that's all I can remember. So we just cycle it around again and again and again and then fire a high cross into the towering Bernado Silver, who of course has fook all chance because he's a foot shorter than their defenders.

Small point though - what you do mean we need 9 points to win the league? Is that just your estimation of what will be needed?

9 wins would leave us on 90 points and Liverpool can in theory get 96 if they win all their games. Obviously if we beat them, then they are limited to 93, so yes perhaps 90 is enough IF we beat them.

Personally I think the title is hanging in the balance at this point. I give us no better than 50-50 right now to be honest. The Norwich game was, well, against Norwich. And against Sporting we were frankly pretty fortunate with some of the goals which on another day may not have gone in. But generally we are struggling to break teams down whilst Liverpool are sweeping them aside with their front men's firepower, which we lack. We are up against it now, IMO.
 
wer weren't at our best, but we also weren't as shit as many in here think, as they do every time we drop points, and want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Sometimes the opponents play well and spurs did.
Spurs did play well, they seem to have our number this past 3 or 4 seasons. But, by our high standards, we weren't great, were we?
 
Spurs did play well, they seem to have our number this past 3 or 4 seasons. But, by our high standards, we weren't great, were we?
No, but we know with the way we play there is really only one way to beat us, keep very tight at the back and counter. We were off our game preventing counter attacks. Spurs have our number in that unlike other teams that throw long balls for somebodey to run onto, which we normally control, spurs have the perfect 2 players in Kane and Son that work intandem with dropping deep ans playing accurate passes in behind. That's what make it difficult for us, but no reaso to panic about dropping this player and that or changing how we play.
 
Personally I think the title is hanging in the balance at this point. I give us no better than 50-50 right now to be honest. The Norwich game was, well, against Norwich. And against Sporting we were frankly pretty fortunate with some of the goals which on another day may not have gone in. But generally we are struggling to break teams down whilst Liverpool are sweeping them aside with their front men's firepower, which we lack. We are up against it now, IMO.

I agree totally with the above.
Mahrez, Sterling and Foden no match for Liverpools 3 from 5
Jesus and Grealish out doesn’t help.
Selling Torres mid season and buying a striker who is not available till summer seems daft too.
 
Personally I think the title is hanging in the balance at this point. I give us no better than 50-50 right now to be honest. The Norwich game was, well, against Norwich. And against Sporting we were frankly pretty fortunate with some of the goals which on another day may not have gone in. But generally we are struggling to break teams down whilst Liverpool are sweeping them aside with their front men's firepower, which we lack. We are up against it now, IMO.

I agree totally with the above.
Mahrez, Sterling and Foden no match for Liverpools 3 from 5
Jesus and Grealish out doesn’t help.
Selling Torres mid season and buying a striker who is not available till summer seems daft too.
i wouldnt say liverpool are sweeping teams aside, i've not looked through all their results but recall there being only 1-2 goals in it.
They are clinical however, and are doing enough to overcome teams.
100% agree they have more firepower up front when it matters though, and i fear that could potentially be our undoing.
 
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