Spurs thread 2020/21

JimB said:
Not really. Spurs made the decision to apply for the furlough scheme one week after the government announced it. They reversed that decision a further two weeks later. Ample time to determine that it was so deeply unpopular that it would likely prove to be counterproductive.
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Nay, even embarrassing.
 
Spurs got a government loan of £175m back in June. one of their promises requirements to the Bank of England that secured the loan would be that it wasnt used on player aquisitions. not quite sure how they can defend the latest purchases as coming from different money. we the tax payer appear to have bought Spurs Gareth Bale.
 
JimB said:
But other posters on here KNOW that Levy was "shamed" into a U-turn? They must be his right hand men too, right? ;-)

I don't know Levy. But it isn't unfair to say that I know more about him than you guys, is it? Just as you doubtless know far more than me about Mansour and Al Mubarak. I have closely followed and observed Levy at Spurs for 20 years. I have met him on a few occasions. Been in supporters meetings with him. I know people who know him well - what motivates him; his values etc. You guys, by contrast, have likely had little more than a passing interest in him. Which is entirely understandable.

Additionally, I get to read Spurs itk, which you probably don't. And in this instance, the itk from various credible sources was that Levy genuinely thought that most clubs would use the furlough scheme; that it was the prudent thing to do given the complete uncertainty as to the potential overall losses as a consequence of COVID; and that he called off the furlough move because, from a business perspective, it was proving to be entirely counterproductive.
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It pleases me to say you’ve got your own Peter Swales
 
JimB said:
Not really. Spurs made the decision to apply for the furlough scheme one week after the government announced it. They reversed that decision a further two weeks later. Ample time to determine that it was so deeply unpopular that it would likely prove to be counterproductive.
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I d realise that the U-turn was so long after the original announcement.
 
Ribchester said:
It pleases me to say you’ve got your own Peter Swales
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I'm pleased that you're pleased!

But, not knowing enough about your former chairman, in what respect is Levy analogous to Peter Swales other than the fact that both have only one League cup win to their name?
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Spurs got a government loan of £175m back in June. one of their promises requirements to the Bank of England that secured the loan would be that it wasnt used on player aquisitions. not quite sure how they can defend the latest purchases as coming from different money. we the tax payer appear to have bought Spurs Gareth Bale.
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I could add that the £175m is about twice what Spurs earn on average from gate receipts and CL prise money a year. So it appears the loan wasnt brought in to just cover lost revenue for the end of last season and this. Doesnt sound like there was a lot of duediligence by the Bof E when handing out an unsecured loan? ! Levy looks to be is using the money to buy players and move money from higher interest loans to the gov one. The lack of scrutiny and criticism by the press and football authorities isnt very good imo, especially given the scutiny and criticism we receieved even after being exonerated over FFP. I dont hear the loan even mentioned when I listened to Sky reporters fawning over Bale returning at £300 - £600k a week.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Spurs got a government loan of £175m back in June. one of their promises requirements to the Bank of England that secured the loan would be that it wasnt used on player aquisitions. not quite sure how they can defend the latest purchases as coming from different money. we the tax payer appear to have bought Spurs Gareth Bale.
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It would be impossible to determine what monies have been spent in what way. The only thing that is pertinent is that Spurs pay the interest and repay the loan within a year. In other words, you the taxpayer will get your money back with interest. Nothing to see here.

Churchlawtonblue said:
I could add that the £175m is about twice what Spurs earn on average from gate receipts and CL prise money a year. So it appears the loan wasnt brought in to just cover lost revenue for the end of last season and this. Doesnt sound like there was a lot of duediligence by the Bof E when handing out an unsecured loan? ! Levy looks to be is using the money to buy players and move money from higher interest loans to the gov one. The lack of scrutiny and criticism by the press and football authorities isnt very good imo, especially given the scutiny and criticism we receieved even after being exonerated over FFP. I dont hear the loan even mentioned when I listened to Sky reporters fawning over Bale returning at £300 - £600k a week.
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What Spurs have historically earned from their stadium on average isn't at all relevant. They are now in a new stadium that is on an altogether different level in terms of revenue generation. At the new stadium, general admission and corporate sales for Spurs games will now bring in some £100m per annum. Additionally, the stadium is generating a further £500K-£1m per game from food and drink sales.

On top of which, because of the versatility provided by the sliding pitch, the stadium was attracting numerous big events - both sporting and musical. Lastly, the stadium is specifically set up for conferencing and other events. That schedule too was heavily subscribed. I don't know exactly how much of the estimated £200m of lost revenue is attributable to the inability to utilise the stadium but I do know that it is far more than the £85-90m figure that you are suggesting.

Listen, I get that you obviously don't like Spurs. And I get that you don't like the fact that City get a raw deal in the media. But given the extraordinary success that you have enjoyed over the past 10 years or so, the laugh is on them, surely? So why be bitter about the fact that a well run business like Spurs is using a perfectly legal and entirely sensible means of coping with the problems created by COVID19? You're in clover, mate. Enjoy it. I wish we had your problems! ;-)
 
JimB said:
It would be impossible to determine what monies have been spent in what way. The only thing that is pertinent is that Spurs pay the interest and repay the loan within a year. In other words, you the taxpayer will get your money back with interest. Nothing to see here.



What Spurs have historically earned from their stadium on average isn't at all relevant. They are now in a new stadium that is on an altogether different level in terms of revenue generation. At the new stadium, general admission and corporate sales for Spurs games will now bring in some £100m per annum. Additionally, the stadium is generating a further £500K-£1m per game from food and drink sales.

On top of which, because of the versatility provided by the sliding pitch, the stadium was attracting numerous big events - both sporting and musical. Lastly, the stadium is specifically set up for conferencing and other events. That schedule too was heavily subscribed. I don't know exactly how much of the estimated £200m of lost revenue is attributable to the inability to utilise the stadium but I do know that it is far more than the £85-90m figure that you are suggesting.

Listen, I get that you obviously don't like Spurs. And I get that you don't like the fact that City get a raw deal in the media. But given the extraordinary success that you have enjoyed over the past 10 years or so, the laugh is on them, surely? So why be bitter about the fact that a well run business like Spurs is using a perfectly legal and entirely sensible means of coping with the problems created by COVID19? You're in clover, mate. Enjoy it. I wish we had your problems! ;-)
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Good response Jim. fyi i dont particularly dislike spurs anymore than the rest of the london clubs. I was just pointing out the differences in the way our two clubs are treated in the media. Cheers
 
CenturyClub said:
Just looking at Spurs squad now with the new additions coming in...

Hugo Lloris
Joe Hart
Paulo Gazzaniga

Matt Doherty
Sergio Reguilon
Ben Davies
Toby Alderweireld
Davinson Sanchez
Eric Dier
Japhet Tanganga
Serge Aurier
Juan Foyth

Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg
Harry Winks
Dele Alli
Giovani Lo Celso
Tanguy N'Dombele
Moussa Sissoko
Gedson Fernandes
Dele Alli
Eric Lamela

Ryan Sessegnon
Lucas Moura
Steven Bergwijn
Son Heung Min
Gareth Bale

Harry Kane

You look at that squad and that is a VERY talented group of players. If you could get certain players motivated, they will be a handful for anybody in the league. Look at their first starting 11 and subs...

Lloris

Doherty
Reguilon
Sanchez
Alderweireld

Winks
N'Dombele
Lo Celso

Son Heung Min
Gareth Bale
Harry Kane

Subs: Hart, Davies, Dier, Alli, Sissoko, Alli, Lucas Moura

Can't even fit Bergwijn and Hojbjerg on the bench!

If you can get Lo Celso on top form and N'Dombele motivated, they will be some side. That attack on paper is fantastic and the two full backs are a HUGE improvement on what they had. You could mix it up and bench Winks for someone a bit more physical like Sissoko or Hojbjerg and also try and motivate Dele Alli and bring him in for Lo Celso if needed.

They have quite a few options now. The two negatives about Spurs, Alderweireld is ageing and they probably need more cover at CB and Jose Mourinho is their manager. If Poch was in charge of this team, it would start going places.

The top 6-8 teams in the league are going to be very, very tough games for City. Spurs improving, Chelsea improving, Man Utd improving, Liverpool improving, Arsenal improving and Wolves will be as tough as usual. Some real tough games ahead for us, for sure.
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Too many there. Only 25 isn’t it?
 
CenturyClub said:
Just looking at Spurs squad now with the new additions coming in...

Hugo Lloris
Joe Hart
Paulo Gazzaniga

Matt Doherty
Sergio Reguilon
Ben Davies
Toby Alderweireld
Davinson Sanchez
Eric Dier
Japhet Tanganga
Serge Aurier
Juan Foyth

Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg
Harry Winks
Dele Alli
Giovani Lo Celso
Tanguy N'Dombele
Moussa Sissoko
Gedson Fernandes
Dele Alli
Eric Lamela

Ryan Sessegnon
Lucas Moura
Steven Bergwijn
Son Heung Min
Gareth Bale

Harry Kane

You look at that squad and that is a VERY talented group of players. If you could get certain players motivated, they will be a handful for anybody in the league. Look at their first starting 11 and subs...

Lloris

Doherty
Reguilon
Sanchez
Alderweireld

Winks
N'Dombele
Lo Celso

Son Heung Min
Gareth Bale
Harry Kane

Subs: Hart, Davies, Dier, Alli, Sissoko, Alli, Lucas Moura

Can't even fit Bergwijn and Hojbjerg on the bench!

If you can get Lo Celso on top form and N'Dombele motivated, they will be some side. That attack on paper is fantastic and the two full backs are a HUGE improvement on what they had. You could mix it up and bench Winks for someone a bit more physical like Sissoko or Hojbjerg and also try and motivate Dele Alli and bring him in for Lo Celso if needed.

They have quite a few options now. The two negatives about Spurs, Alderweireld is ageing and they probably need more cover at CB and Jose Mourinho is their manager. If Poch was in charge of this team, it would start going places.

The top 6-8 teams in the league are going to be very, very tough games for City. Spurs improving, Chelsea improving, Man Utd improving, Liverpool improving, Arsenal improving and Wolves will be as tough as usual. Some real tough games ahead for us, for sure.
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I think it's adorable that you don't mention the millstone around the clubs neck and the fact that they will continue to be also rans while he is in charge. This lot under Pochettino would have been interesting, but under Mou? No worries.
 
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TFC said:
I think it's adorable that you don't mention the millstone around the clubs neck and the fact that they will continue to be also rans while he is in charge. This lot under Pochettino would have been interesting, but under Mou? No worries.
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That is the thing... on paper it is a very talented group of players... but as long as Mourinho is in charge, they won't be going anywhere anytime soon. Poch would do well with this group.
 
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mexico1970 said:
If the spuds can keep Bale fit they are certainly going to improve IMO, if he plays as well as he can do he's a definite match winner for them.
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He has lost his explosive pace and I don't think he is really capable of adapting his game to compensate for that. The other good thing he is already injured
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
I could add that the £175m is about twice what Spurs earn on average from gate receipts and CL prise money a year. So it appears the loan wasnt brought in to just cover lost revenue for the end of last season and this. Doesnt sound like there was a lot of duediligence by the Bof E when handing out an unsecured loan? ! Levy looks to be is using the money to buy players and move money from higher interest loans to the gov one. The lack of scrutiny and criticism by the press and football authorities isnt very good imo, especially given the scutiny and criticism we receieved even after being exonerated over FFP. I dont hear the loan even mentioned when I listened to Sky reporters fawning over Bale returning at £300 - £600k a week.
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It becomes pointless debating with him after a while because the only thing he won’t consider is what we all know to be true.

He tried to tell me the other day that Spurs lost out on way more than 12 events at the stadium from lockdown to the start of this season.

5 league matches leaves 7 NFL games or concerts before August.

They also lost £200 million, couldn’t afford £500,000 wages, had to get a loan to bale them out (no pun intended) for £175 million, may have a full season of reduced income, have no Champions League money this season but can suddenly afford £30 million on new signings plus £300,000 per week for Bale’s wages.

But Levy wasn’t shamed into reversing his decision. We must remember that.
 
Spurs were no where near a title challenge when bale was best player in the league
Personally think he will have great moments, have shit moments, get injured and play more golf
I think after doing nothing for two years he will struggle
Mourninho doing Sanchez part 2
 
Gareth Bale out till the end of October with a knee injury, what planet do these clubs live on.

The guy is a walking sicknote , yet they still sign him and give him 100s of thousands of the queens finest to play golf!
 
Keeper! said:
Gareth Bale out till the end of October with a knee injury, what planet do these clubs live on.

The guy is a walking sicknote , yet they still sign him and give him 100s of thousands of the queens finest to play golf!
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All I can think of is Levy think the club can make money from merchandise and sponsors.
 
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