Stadium Expansion (Confirmed)

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Can people stop propagating the myth that we have the cheapest season tickets in the league?

We don't. Of all our season tickets, only a tiny percentage of them are Value Gold. It allows City to point to being cheap to the wider public, and thus receive the plaudits that go with that.

In reality, most of us know they are a token gesture.

The rest of us have seen yearly rises in the region of 10% for around 5 years.

My season ticket in EL1 cost £715 this season. I travel away regularly so I have no alternative to buy into the bullshit Platinum scheme for the extra £50, in order to not lose my place in the queue for tickets with regards to loyalty points.

£715 is not cheap. That works out at £37 per game, you'd find it hard to argue that the price is extortionate given the side that we now have, but in respect of the cost of attending modern football in a wider sense, yes, it's expensive.

We live in a strange world when we're celebrating having to spend "only" £600 or £700 to buy a season ticket.

I appreciate that we're now a successful club, and modern football has gone this way, but I didn't start following City because I wanted success at any price. Clearly.

Would we still be applauding our prices if they continued to rise 10% annually over the next two years? So our average season ticket prices would be between £700 and £800, would that be value for money?

Our season tickets are now directly comparable to United's, who we once used to deride for the way they milked their supporters like cattle. They've had freezes to the price of their season tickets for the past two years. Their equivalent seats to Level One in the South Stand, in the Stretford End, are cheaper than ours.

That is the reality. We are not great value for money. Our season tickets are, by and large, more reasonably priced in comparison to our rivals, but should we really be applauding ourselves that we aren't expected to fork out £1k like many Arsenal fans?

In respect of our individual ticket prices, we are now among the most expensive in the league. £50 is fairly typical for us now, would this have been applauded or excused just two or three years ago?

I'm not afraid to be critical of the cost of attending matches at City now, the 'negativity' bat that anyone who raises this issue is cracked over the head with is due to patent insecurity. The idea that we can't be critical of price increases due to a fear of being seen as 'ungrateful' is really setting us up on a road to nowhere, and a hiding in the pocket.

The question you have to ask yourself is, "what price is a successful City worth"?

Would we all be happy if prices continued to rise, and we lost 5 - 10k of regular blues off the gate. To be replaced by new 'fans' with plenty of disposable income who only recently adopted City as their "BPL team"?

Would we be happy to see the whole demographics of our match going fanbase change, to something that would've been unrecognisable, even just 5 years ago?

What price are you willing to put on our success?

It states very clearly in the expansion details that price rises are to be expected for other areas of the ground by the time the new tiers have gone up.

The idea that the takeover would herald an expanded stadium and cheap tickets for all was always a pipe dream, and so now it proves.

I welcome the expansion of the South Stand, but at the current rate of yearly price increases, what hope would we have of filling it?

Are the club hoping that those that become priced out over the coming years return to take up places in the new expanded areas?

How many of the new seats will be the advertised £299? Will they be a token gesture like the Value Gold, a tiny proportion of the new stand, or are they a considerable proportion?

I apologise for the scepticism and 'negativity', but I think this is a topic we should all be reflecting on much more closely.

And yet another fucking whinger !!

And one who as usual quotes figures as being fact when they are quite clearly not. How many category A games are there that charge £50, 4/5? All my UTD fan friends pay at least £70 more for their equivalent seats, and I could go on and on and on. But in the end you were just spurious in the figures you quoted in order to justify the moan. As many have said, the club is a business sad but true. Anybody who believes the Club should wholesale reduce ticket prices to somewhere in the region of £10/15 match on a permanent basis and then reduce them annually truly is living in cloud cuckoo land. In the interests of proper debate if people are going to quote facts and figures can they actually do a little research first.

I had to give up my season ticket cos I couldnt afford it anymore. I look at going single matches and most matches are 40 to 50 quid.

as has been said the club do not need to increase ticket prices, ticket revenue is nothing to them. But if we carry on we will end up like old trafford, where the locals and past regulars all sit in the pub.

I love the all the expansion news, but it doesnt mean we cant question things, or worry about being priced out completley. If tickets rose to 1000 quid for a season ticket, would you still be happy ??? and just accept it

btw great post Kippaxstreetheadache

 

[DiscoSteve]

shouldn't a "stadium expansion" thread contain debate about the stadium expansion plans rather than rants about ticket prices?

yes - so someone start another thread on the rising price of season tickets and all the whingers can go over there - this thread is about the expansion of the stadium.

 

[oakiecokie]

Can people stop propagating the myth that we have the cheapest season tickets in the league?

We don't. Of all our season tickets, only a tiny percentage of them are Value Gold. It allows City to point to being cheap to the wider public, and thus receive the plaudits that go with that.

In reality, most of us know they are a token gesture.

The rest of us have seen yearly rises in the region of 10% for around 5 years.

My season ticket in EL1 cost £715 this season. I travel away regularly so I have no alternative to buy into the bullshit Platinum scheme for the extra £50, in order to not lose my place in the queue for tickets with regards to loyalty points.

£715 is not cheap. That works out at £37 per game, you'd find it hard to argue that the price is extortionate given the side that we now have, but in respect of the cost of attending modern football in a wider sense, yes, it's expensive.

We live in a strange world when we're celebrating having to spend "only" £600 or £700 to buy a season ticket.

I appreciate that we're now a successful club, and modern football has gone this way, but I didn't start following City because I wanted success at any price. Clearly.

Would we still be applauding our prices if they continued to rise 10% annually over the next two years? So our average season ticket prices would be between £700 and £800, would that be value for money?

Our season tickets are now directly comparable to United's, who we once used to deride for the way they milked their supporters like cattle. They've had freezes to the price of their season tickets for the past two years. Their equivalent seats to Level One in the South Stand, in the Stretford End, are cheaper than ours.

That is the reality. We are not great value for money. Our season tickets are, by and large, more reasonably priced in comparison to our rivals, but should we really be applauding ourselves that we aren't expected to fork out £1k like many Arsenal fans?

In respect of our individual ticket prices, we are now among the most expensive in the league. £50 is fairly typical for us now, would this have been applauded or excused just two or three years ago?

I'm not afraid to be critical of the cost of attending matches at City now, the 'negativity' bat that anyone who raises this issue is cracked over the head with is due to patent insecurity. The idea that we can't be critical of price increases due to a fear of being seen as 'ungrateful' is really setting us up on a road to nowhere, and a hiding in the pocket.

The question you have to ask yourself is, "what price is a successful City worth"?

Would we all be happy if prices continued to rise, and we lost 5 - 10k of regular blues off the gate. To be replaced by new 'fans' with plenty of disposable income who only recently adopted City as their "BPL team"?

Would we be happy to see the whole demographics of our match going fanbase change, to something that would've been unrecognisable, even just 5 years ago?

What price are you willing to put on our success?

It states very clearly in the expansion details that price rises are to be expected for other areas of the ground by the time the new tiers have gone up.

The idea that the takeover would herald an expanded stadium and cheap tickets for all was always a pipe dream, and so now it proves.

I welcome the expansion of the South Stand, but at the current rate of yearly price increases, what hope would we have of filling it?

Are the club hoping that those that become priced out over the coming years return to take up places in the new expanded areas?

How many of the new seats will be the advertised £299? Will they be a token gesture like the Value Gold, a tiny proportion of the new stand, or are they a considerable proportion?

I apologise for the scepticism and 'negativity', but I think this is a topic we should all be reflecting on much more closely.

And yet another fucking whinger !!

And one who as usual quotes figures as being fact when they are quite clearly not. How many category A games are there that charge £50, 4/5? All my UTD fan friends pay at least £70 more for their equivalent seats, and I could go on and on and on. But in the end you were just spurious in the figures you quoted in order to justify the moan. As many have said, the club is a business sad but true. Anybody who believes the Club should wholesale reduce ticket prices to somewhere in the region of £10/15 match on a permanent basis and then reduce them annually truly is living in cloud cuckoo land. In the interests of proper debate if people are going to quote facts and figures can they actually do a little research first.

Spot on mate.For those who complain,perhaps they need to get their priorities right.If they can`t afford a ST and travel to away games,then maybe they should cut their cloth accordingly.Fucking hell,we`d all like more money and cheaper this,that and `tother,but lifes a woman and we just get on with it.
Khaldoon told us from the moment HH took our Club over,we would have to become "self sufficient" and not rely on his funding for ever and ever.
Fuck me mate,some of these whingers should think back to only what, 7-8 years ago when we were nearly on the brink of going under, had we not been given a lifeline by Wardle and Co.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

shouldn't a "stadium expansion" thread contain debate about the stadium expansion plans rather than rants about ticket prices?

yes - so someone start another thread on the rising price of season tickets and all the whingers can go over there - this thread is about the expansion of the stadium.

the expansion of the stadium is directly linked to ticket prices though. with new prices in the south stand, how does it not link to the expansion ??

 

[Falastur]

There is no law to cover the age of attendance for any public spectacle. The only restriction on age would be based on the content of what is on show, e.g. Certification of feature films.

The fact is though that the club has decided 14 themselves. Newcastle have chosen 12 years of age.

With regard to chaperone groups of children on a 1 to 5 ratio, well once again that is simply a figure plucked from nowhere. I could as an adult by 20 childrens Seasoncards for the family stand as long as I bought one also.

Now I am, as much as the next City fan is, excited about this expansion, however it is my opinion that the club needed to look at offering the chance of access to football for children from less privileged backgrounds.

Clearly some of you seem less concerned.

You misunderstand. Yes, there's no law that states that a child can't attend a public spectacle. There is, however, a law which states that corporate bodies such as City are legally responsible for the safety of any children who attend, and part of this is a requirement to have a certain amount of adults per specified number of children (the younger they are, the more adults are needed). City, as all football clubs, responds to this by requiring adults to attend with the children, thus meaning the children are not the direct responsibility of City. If you read the MCFC Club Charter it even specifies the recommended minimum adult to child ratio for attendance.

My point is, if City made a designated "no adults" section, then legally they have to have a set number of designated "child safety officers" (i.e. anyone who is CRB-checked against paedophile charges and trained to look after kids) in the same area as those kids. They also have to do things like escorting them to the toilets, be first-aid trained, etc. That's a huge responsibility for City to take on themselves, considering we're talking about hundreds if not thousands of kids.

Don't get the impression that I don't like this idea. I do, I really do. But unfortunately our modern culture of abject horror at the idea of a child doing something fun without 15 armed protection agents around them at all times means that it's not possible in this country. My parents and sister do a lot of childrens' work. Trust me, I've heard more than my share of how this works.

 

[DiscoSteve]

shouldn't a "stadium expansion" thread contain debate about the stadium expansion plans rather than rants about ticket prices?

yes - so someone start another thread on the rising price of season tickets and all the whingers can go over there - this thread is about the expansion of the stadium.

the expansion of the stadium is directly linked to ticket prices though. with new prices in the south stand, how does it not link to the expansion ??

Can I suggest we take the grumbling over pricing to here <a class="postlink-local" href="http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=291910" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=1&t=291910</a>
and leave this thread to discussion of how the expansion is going to look and what facilities we're going to get with it? I'm sure once the planning app goes in this thread will come alive again!

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

I dont think its the 10 - 14 year old bracket we need to be worried about. I think its the 18- 25 bracket, dont see lots of groups of lads anymore. Most seem to be with there dads . Maybe we make the south stand more suited to this age group

 

[squirtyflower]

Can people stop propagating the myth that we have the cheapest season tickets in the league?

We don't. Of all our season tickets, only a tiny percentage of them are Value Gold. It allows City to point to being cheap to the wider public, and thus receive the plaudits that go with that.

In reality, most of us know they are a token gesture.

The rest of us have seen yearly rises in the region of 10% for around 5 years.

My season ticket in EL1 cost £715 this season. I travel away regularly so I have no alternative to buy into the bullshit Platinum scheme for the extra £50, in order to not lose my place in the queue for tickets with regards to loyalty points.

£715 is not cheap. That works out at £37 per game, you'd find it hard to argue that the price is extortionate given the side that we now have, but in respect of the cost of attending modern football in a wider sense, yes, it's expensive.

We live in a strange world when we're celebrating having to spend "only" £600 or £700 to buy a season ticket.

I appreciate that we're now a successful club, and modern football has gone this way, but I didn't start following City because I wanted success at any price. Clearly.

Would we still be applauding our prices if they continued to rise 10% annually over the next two years? So our average season ticket prices would be between £700 and £800, would that be value for money?

Our season tickets are now directly comparable to United's, who we once used to deride for the way they milked their supporters like cattle. They've had freezes to the price of their season tickets for the past two years. Their equivalent seats to Level One in the South Stand, in the Stretford End, are cheaper than ours.

That is the reality. We are not great value for money. Our season tickets are, by and large, more reasonably priced in comparison to our rivals, but should we really be applauding ourselves that we aren't expected to fork out £1k like many Arsenal fans?

In respect of our individual ticket prices, we are now among the most expensive in the league. £50 is fairly typical for us now, would this have been applauded or excused just two or three years ago?

I'm not afraid to be critical of the cost of attending matches at City now, the 'negativity' bat that anyone who raises this issue is cracked over the head with is due to patent insecurity. The idea that we can't be critical of price increases due to a fear of being seen as 'ungrateful' is really setting us up on a road to nowhere, and a hiding in the pocket.

The question you have to ask yourself is, "what price is a successful City worth"?

Would we all be happy if prices continued to rise, and we lost 5 - 10k of regular blues off the gate. To be replaced by new 'fans' with plenty of disposable income who only recently adopted City as their "BPL team"?

Would we be happy to see the whole demographics of our match going fanbase change, to something that would've been unrecognisable, even just 5 years ago?

What price are you willing to put on our success?

It states very clearly in the expansion details that price rises are to be expected for other areas of the ground by the time the new tiers have gone up.

The idea that the takeover would herald an expanded stadium and cheap tickets for all was always a pipe dream, and so now it proves.

I welcome the expansion of the South Stand, but at the current rate of yearly price increases, what hope would we have of filling it?

Are the club hoping that those that become priced out over the coming years return to take up places in the new expanded areas?

How many of the new seats will be the advertised £299? Will they be a token gesture like the Value Gold, a tiny proportion of the new stand, or are they a considerable proportion?

I apologise for the scepticism and 'negativity', but I think this is a topic we should all be reflecting on much more closely.

i'd like to know what you would consider a 'token gesture' for value gold cards?

as i'd bet a valur gold card that you haven't a fucking clue how many City offer of these



but on the other hand, whether it's two hundred or two thousand it's still more than other clubs offer
plus we have sumptuous facilities in City Square and behind the stands with lots of room without being crushed as you are at most stadia

you say you go to away games yet you don't see the shit other fans have to put up with at their stadia

 

[mayo31]

Great post by kippaxstreetheadache and I guess it took some time to type that. I would not have bothered mate, wasting your time asking questions here. It's already been bought lock stock and barrel by some. Good luck to them.

Don't question anything as you only a moaner or a whinger. Be grateful and doff your cap.

 

[CatMan]

There is no law to cover the age of attendance for any public spectacle. The only restriction on age would be based on the content of what is on show, e.g. Certification of feature films.

The fact is though that the club has decided 14 themselves. Newcastle have chosen 12 years of age.

With regard to chaperone groups of children on a 1 to 5 ratio, well once again that is simply a figure plucked from nowhere. I could as an adult by 20 childrens Seasoncards for the family stand as long as I bought one also.

Now I am, as much as the next City fan is, excited about this expansion, however it is my opinion that the club needed to look at offering the chance of access to football for children from less privileged backgrounds.

Clearly some of you seem less concerned.

You misunderstand. Yes, there's no law that states that a child can't attend a public spectacle. There is, however, a law which states that corporate bodies such as City are legally responsible for the safety of any children who attend, and part of this is a requirement to have a certain amount of adults per specified number of children (the younger they are, the more adults are needed). City, as all football clubs, responds to this by requiring adults to attend with the children, thus meaning the children are not the direct responsibility of City. If you read the MCFC Club Charter it even specifies the recommended minimum adult to child ratio for attendance.

My point is, if City made a designated "no adults" section, then legally they have to have a set number of designated "child safety officers" (i.e. anyone who is CRB-checked against paedophile charges and trained to look after kids) in the same area as those kids. They also have to do things like escorting them to the toilets, be first-aid trained, etc. That's a huge responsibility for City to take on themselves, considering we're talking about hundreds if not thousands of kids.

Don't get the impression that I don't like this idea. I do, I really do. But unfortunately our modern culture of abject horror at the idea of a child doing something fun without 15 armed protection agents around them at all times means that it's not possible in this country. My parents and sister do a lot of childrens' work. Trust me, I've heard more than my share of how this works.

Good points and I am glad we largely agree. I am only glad I am in my late 40's and, however bad it may have been for long periods, have had the chance to watch City regularly since the age of 10.

In short this thread has clearly shown that for every happy clapper, there are equally many who are beginning to become disenfranchised with the whole thing. What will be the immediate acid test is the volume of take up for Seasoncard reservations.

If it's huge and we go full steam ahead with both ends then perhaps me and others like me have got it completely wrong. If that is the case I will admit that the marketing men have got it right and have still got their customers.

If it's awful, and all of a sudden we hear only one end will expand, then we will soon see how many on here suddenly think that year on year increases and the ethnic/social cleansing of Level 2 wasn't such a great idea after all!

As they say the jury is out!