Stadium Expansion (Confirmed)

[dancingsilverback]

I too have had the 2015/16 your ticket will be going up to 'from' £1150.

But i do get access to an exclusive bar under the new seating at either end. Where what? Where half of the people i sit with now with even less expendable income will be no where to be found since theyll either be upstairs in the gods or watching it on Al Jezeera courtesy of Shady?

Id expect naked bar girls giving my balls a clean for fifteen minutes every other Saturday for that. £20 a game and market prices of such services and thats feasible.

Im all for the expansion, i expect a price increase season to season, within reason, but come on lets contextualise this.

If every single person in the CB2 and E2 stump up the extra £400 that will create lets say since im not sure of fan numbers an extra 10k fans x 400 per season. = £4 million. Lets just double it and say im massively out and its actually 20k, which it isnt, then its £8 million.

£8 Million pays one top players salary these days, two very good. Thats the world we live in. Compare this to the money on offer from the TV deals and the squeeze such an increase will put on the fans.

If it was an extra £200 i could probably stomach, and afford,it. That would still give the club an extra £2 - £4 million a year but an extra £400 minimum?

Not a chance.

I love where i sit because of the view, the closeness to the pitch, the people i sit with, the atmosphere. Anyone in a similar mindset is clearly either going to jump ship or move to the new seats at the first opportunity therefore limiting the seats available in the expansion. Even with a free reign of choice your still looking at a much reduced experience sitting behind a goal three tiers up.

People will say im moaning and we need to progress, well i agree but there is progress and there is pricing fans out and moving from £750 - £1150 represents over a 150% increase in cost.

Show me the value in that. And comparison to other clubs prices etc wont stick, this is not another club.

I know from your pov it's not good news, but with a bigger expanded ground there should be good alternatives. I reckon some fans who sit in good seats at the front of Tier 3, or Level 1 (East and West) may move elsewhere to take advantage of lower prices

Disregarding my own situation, i dont have any kids or real responsibilities but still consider this to be ridiculous, look around the ground, we know the profile of our fans, we understand the hard times we are facing into and really do the people at the club really believe this will work? There will be swathes of empty seats on those two levels and it will look farcical.

Its bad enough with the few hundred corporates we already have that either dont turn up or stay in the bars to watch creating a vacuum of space where they should be sitting on seats we could be giving free to school kids, colleges, people from disadvantaged backgrounds, even if just for a game to create some impetuous in generating fans because they dont grow on trees and ones that will pay circa £1200 for a season ticket certainly dont in this austere day and age.

1150 = 60 per game.

Everyone was up in arms over the likes of Arsenal charging us that to go there now were telling a large amount of our fanbase thats what they can look forwards to in two seasons time to have a pile free experience on faux leather seats and an overpriced bar no doubt understaffed by monosyllabic one armed clowns incapable of performing more than one task at a time?

Stadium expansion, wonderful, better value seats, wonderful, greater range of pricing wondeful, 60 a game? Farcical.

 

[B\connellblue]

I'm curious as to how you can expand a stadium that you only have a lease on (albeit a rather long one). If you pay the deposit and then not take up the option to buy the ticket, is it refundable?

 

[blueparrot]

I too have had the 2015/16 your ticket will be going up to 'from' £1150.

But i do get access to an exclusive bar under the new seating at either end. Where what? Where half of the people i sit with now with even less expendable income will be no where to be found since theyll either be upstairs in the gods or watching it on Al Jezeera courtesy of Shady?

Id expect naked bar girls giving my balls a clean for fifteen minutes every other Saturday for that. £20 a game and market prices of such services and thats feasible.

Im all for the expansion, i expect a price increase season to season, within reason, but come on lets contextualise this.

If every single person in the CB2 and E2 stump up the extra £400 that will create lets say since im not sure of fan numbers an extra 10k fans x 400 per season. = £4 million. Lets just double it and say im massively out and its actually 20k, which it isnt, then its £8 million.

£8 Million pays one top players salary these days, two very good. Thats the world we live in. Compare this to the money on offer from the TV deals and the squeeze such an increase will put on the fans.

If it was an extra £200 i could probably stomach, and afford,it. That would still give the club an extra £2 - £4 million a year but an extra £400 minimum?

Not a chance.

I love where i sit because of the view, the closeness to the pitch, the people i sit with, the atmosphere. Anyone in a similar mindset is clearly either going to jump ship or move to the new seats at the first opportunity therefore limiting the seats available in the expansion. Even with a free reign of choice your still looking at a much reduced experience sitting behind a goal three tiers up.

People will say im moaning and we need to progress, well i agree but there is progress and there is pricing fans out and moving from £750 - £1150 represents over a 150% increase in cost.

Show me the value in that. And comparison to other clubs prices etc wont stick, this is not another club.

I know from your pov it's not good news, but with a bigger expanded ground there should be good alternatives. I reckon some fans who sit in good seats at the front of Tier 3, or Level 1 (East and West) may move elsewhere to take advantage of lower prices

Disregarding my own situation, i dont have any kids or real responsibilities but still consider this to be ridiculous, look around the ground, we know the profile of our fans, we understand the hard times we are facing into and really do the people at the club really believe this will work? There will be swathes of empty seats on those two levels and it will look farcical.

Its bad enough with the few hundred corporates we already have that either dont turn up or stay in the bars to watch creating a vacuum of space where they should be sitting on seats we could be giving free to school kids, colleges, people from disadvantaged backgrounds, even if just for a game to create some impetuous in generating fans because they dont grow on trees and ones that will pay circa £1200 for a season ticket certainly dont in this austere day and age.

1150 = 60 per game.

Everyone was up in arms over the likes of Arsenal charging us that to go there now were telling a large amount of our fanbase thats what they can look forwards to in two seasons time to have a pile free experience on faux leather seats and an overpriced bar no doubt understaffed by monosyllabic one armed clowns incapable of performing more than one task at a time?

Stadium expansion, wonderful, better value seats, wonderful, greater range of pricing wondeful, 60 a game? Farcical.

Looking at the seating plan for the expanded stadium the most expensive shown are £799, I presume the £1150 are for some of the 3 blocks in white in CB 2 I don't know exactly how many seats that is, not that many i'd guess, but the club have spent a lot employing companies to do feasibility studies. So yes I guess they think they can sell them all and they probably will.

 

[TGR]

Bargain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously though, I bet you and many like you are raging.

Social cleansing, that's what its called. I seem to remember some Conservative in London many years ago deliberately selling off Council Houses in an attempt to alter the social demographic of an area to prevent a Socialist Council being elected.

This is the sporting version. In short, the club are not interested in our types anymore.

There are over 13k seats in the new tiers priced at £299 to £449 and £450 to £599

In truth City are adopting a two-prong approach of expanding the Corporate Seats and expanding seating for the traditional fan. As long as there's cheap seating available for the mass of fans, I don't see a big problem.

Whether they can find a market for the Corporate and Wealthy supporter in Manchester we'll have to see.

Who gets first choice of these seats? I haven't been given an option to register for seats in this new stand. Maybe that will come but so far nothing.

As for finding takers for the seats it depends on success.... We therefore have to be successful or the newcomers may well move on to the next success and the loyal ones who have been moved/priced out etc may just think "do you know what.... fuck it I've got used to not going"

I was surrounded by dickheads taking pictures with their half/half scarves against Bayern. Every regular near me didn't go because they simply couldn't afford it. I will be amazed if more than 20% of ST in those areas stay so that's a lot of corporate seats to fill.

And that's the gamble the club has now taken; that they can fill the stadium with corporates and day trippers at seriously expensive prices. The only way to do this is to rack up a serious trophy count each season over a sustained period of years. If the club / team fail to do this then they will leave themselves between a rock and hard place.
As we all know going to the match is extremely habit forming - however so is not going and without trophies on a regular basis the corporates and day trippers will be nowhere to be seen.

 

[Kippaxstreetheadache]

Who do the club think is willing to pay £1150 and over for a season ticket?

The demand isn't there.

The South Stand will be extended, and will just end up being filled by people who were priced out of Level 2.

There will be swathes of empty seats in the new 'mini corporate' areas.

It'll be worse than when the North Stand was converted to be wholly a family stand. The demand wasn't there, loads of seats went unsold in the first season, until they eventually reclaimed a block of each corner of the North Stand and began calling them East and West blocks respectively.

Even now the family stand still has more empty seats than anywhere else in the stadium.

This move is a disaster by the club. Really quite outrageous in fact, the usual suspects will still do their best to justify it however.

I'd appreciate it if any responses would refrain from the previous personal attacks too.

Please try and spare me the self sustaining nonsense too. There are a million and one ways to work towards that, bleeding the fans who propped up this club in its darkest days shouldn't be one of them.

Another pertinent point, Sheikh Mansour will never see a return on his investment into the club. He knows this, we all know it. So what are the motivations behind this?

IMO, this is corporate greed, and nothing more - the type of which we used to mock United for. The type of which has seen thousands of Chelsea fans priced out of attending games at Stamford Bridge and has seen their match day crowds lose all resemblance to the Chelsea of old. It's the corporate greed which limits us to an allocation of 24 thousand tickets in a stadium which holds 90 thousand, whenever we make it to an FA Cup final.

Lets not gloss over this, pretend it's something it isn't.

German clubs have shown that this isn't necessary to be a successful club. Bayern won the treble last year, their revenue puts them in the top 5 of all the world's clubs. Their season tickets are cheaper than most Championship clubs.

It's time to face facts, in the UK, match going fans are cash cows. And until we get vocal about this issue, the worse it will continue to get.

 

[dancingsilverback]

I know from your pov it's not good news, but with a bigger expanded ground there should be good alternatives. I reckon some fans who sit in good seats at the front of Tier 3, or Level 1 (East and West) may move elsewhere to take advantage of lower prices

Disregarding my own situation, i dont have any kids or real responsibilities but still consider this to be ridiculous, look around the ground, we know the profile of our fans, we understand the hard times we are facing into and really do the people at the club really believe this will work? There will be swathes of empty seats on those two levels and it will look farcical.

Its bad enough with the few hundred corporates we already have that either dont turn up or stay in the bars to watch creating a vacuum of space where they should be sitting on seats we could be giving free to school kids, colleges, people from disadvantaged backgrounds, even if just for a game to create some impetuous in generating fans because they dont grow on trees and ones that will pay circa £1200 for a season ticket certainly dont in this austere day and age.

1150 = 60 per game.

Everyone was up in arms over the likes of Arsenal charging us that to go there now were telling a large amount of our fanbase thats what they can look forwards to in two seasons time to have a pile free experience on faux leather seats and an overpriced bar no doubt understaffed by monosyllabic one armed clowns incapable of performing more than one task at a time?

Stadium expansion, wonderful, better value seats, wonderful, greater range of pricing wondeful, 60 a game? Farcical.

Looking at the seating plan for the expanded stadium the most expensive shown are £799, I presume the £1150 are for some of the 3 blocks in white in CB 2 I don't know exactly how many seats that is, not that many i'd guess, but the club have spent a lot employing companies to do feasibility studies. So yes I guess they think they can sell them all and they probably will.

The stadium plan your looking at is he most expensive for 2014/2015 are £799.

The letter i have tells me several paragraphs about the exciting new plans, and then at the bottom of the page that they want to be the first to tell me about exciting new spaces with a sports bar atmosphere for level 2 of CB and E and that from 2015/16 my that they will be priced from £1150.

If your sat in CBL2 or EL2. Im EL2 202, so towards the end, not exactly in the middle, and the middle blocks of either are largely for exec use already, your ticket as an adult will be minimum of £1150.

Not being pedantic just p ssed off the way its been contrived as adding value whilst putting pressure on you to either jump ship at the end of this season to try and get a decent seat somewhere else, wait another in the seat youve been in for years at the risk of getting a crap seat when the screw turns in 2015/16 or just jack it in completely.

 

[kinkysleftfoot]

Bargain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously though, I bet you and many like you are raging.

Social cleansing, that's what its called. I seem to remember some Conservative in London many years ago deliberately selling off Council Houses in an attempt to alter the social demographic of an area to prevent a Socialist Council being elected.

This is the sporting version. In short, the club are not interested in our types anymore.

It's called gerrymandering. I don't think Sheikh Mansour is considering mass executions of any folk wearing flat caps just yet.

Yep, knew it was Gerrymandering, however I didn't want to baffle people.

I remember when Sky first came to the table and they for many seasons took football, a very addictive drug to the masses, and once they had completely got the nation addicted they simply wound up the price and reaped the rewards of millions of football addicts.

In a sad way, perhaps Mr Mansour and his advisors, on a smaller scale initially, have looked to find a similarly addictive substance (our club) and after a successful marketing campaign around the globe, now believes he can push prices were he wants as his new customers are willing to pay higher prices!

Perhaps not the most apt comparison, but nonetheless, in lay terms it's what's happened.

Either find the money to pay or suffer some severe and painful withdrawal.

That's why they have been banging the drum regarding the £299 and the deposit should you wish to register for the new seats.

Mine is going up but fortunately I'm in the position to cope with the increase, to be honest we have had fantastic seats at very good prices for many years.

 

[Bill]

 

[toffee balls]

I will add my ten penneth :


City are not a charity and we need to break even , at the very least.

City are matching the big clubs in every area except match day revenue . City will achieve this by:

- Making level 2 a premium tier catering for all business needs ( don't forget out of the £70 million shortfall between ourselves and the rags / Arsenal more than half of that deficit is from corperate revenues).

- Extending the stadium to cater for our loyal fans who are and remain the clubs life blood and offering seats that suit most budgets.

I don't see the problem at all.

Well done City , yet again and thankyou Sheikh Mansour.

 

[Bill]