Stadium Expansion

[Dubai Blue]

Those are all things that the club own and can directly control. The Metro is an entirely different matter. There's a very slim chance that it might become free for supporters, but it will never be free for the club as they will have to heavily subsidise it to make it happen. Can't see it happening myself.

See my previous post re the company I work for.

If a quarter of the people coming on the tram buy 2 or 3 pints coz they aren't driving plus a pie to go with it, then it goes to paying for itself. If Schalke can subsidise the local tranport for fans, why can't we?

Because I guess City would quite like to keep the revenue from the 2 or 3 pints and pie for themselves. Whilst the system in Germany is nice, it's not a necessity. Why should we get free transport? You have to pay to make your own way to the cinema or to a shopping centre. Why should a football stadium be any different?

 

[Watchman]

I think your confusing obssessed with subjective banter....I all I do is point out the inaccuracies in some posters comments and provoke debate...the post started with saying that you could expand the stadium to sell out 60-70K...when the past attendances dont illustrate that you could ...unless of course you want to be hypocritical and appeal to band wagon jumpers...something you constantly critisis United for?

 

[johnmc]

Season ticketes WERE reduced, okay maybe not for all but there was a reduction. Many other cubs do that?
Yes, a one-off but it was still done
Yes you had to buy a shirt but if you are going to buy a shirt anyway then it is free.
Just common sense but who else did it for us and who else in the league has it? Very few - if any.

I am sure if you say to a Schalke fan that we are thinking of this he would also say 'common sense really'.

I am not saying that you are wrong about the free metro - just saying don't dismiss it out of hand because you cannot judge our owners by the standards of other owners in the league and other owners we have had previously. Metrolink won't lose out as they will get the money off the club and if the club are willing to fork out, then why not.

I work for a company that has sites in a number of different locations in the UK. In some of those cities it has negotiated free travel on the buses for its staff. If they can do it on a daily basis then I don't believe it is beyond the realms of possibility for ADUG to do it once a fortnight as it will cost them a drop in the ocean and will bring returns as previously discussed.

Well most clubs did introduce discounts on season tickets this year due to the economic climate.

Whilst a fiver was cheap a lot of other clubs also do cup tickets for £10 and Spurs i think gave season ticket holders their first 3 cup games free.

And if you werent going to buy a shirt which a lot of people don't then it wasnt free.

Common sesnse as in someone with a decent business mind came in and said our customers shouldnt be waiting in the rain - not rocket science really.

Anyway as someone has stated that is all in the clubs control. The metro isnt. Will they agree to subsidised travel for city fans? How much would it be - lets say the council just turn around and say well we want £2.50 for everyone person who is eligable for the free travel. Thats 48k at £2.50 every game = £120k x 19 league games and thats over £1m a year. The owners will expect a full house anyway with all the money on the playing staff side so why would they incentivise more?

Also, you can see problems with people who don't use the tram - well i know someone who saves £4.50 as they come from altrincham whereas I travel from Glossop and have to drive as there is no tram. That costs me £5 in petrol and £5 to park. Thats a £15 swing.

A lot of people are expecting all sorts from the owners because they are so rich but they didnt get rich by spending unnecessarily.

 

[Blu KB]

We dont need a bigger stadium yet, if we are selling out every week then i increasing the size of coms is something we could look at.

To the prospect of potentially moving to another stadium from scratch would be the worst thing to happen to us, were only just attaching some familiarity to coms and leaving their would be bluddy awful.

 

[Dubai Blue]

I think your confusing obssessed with subjective banter....I all I do is point out the inaccuracies in some posters comments and provoke debate...the post started with saying that you could expand the stadium to sell out 60-70K...when the past attendances dont illustrate that you could ...unless of course you want to be hypocritical and appeal to band wagon jumpers...something you constantly critisis United for?

Can you just explain what you meant by this then:

I dont want to be a stick in the mud ...BUT ..why expand the stadium when the club couldnt sell out most of last season when tickets were on sale for a fiver?

Because you just appear to be making things up as you go along.

 

[Mental_blue]

I think your confusing obssessed with subjective banter....I all I do is point out the inaccuracies in some posters comments and provoke debate...the post started with saying that you could expand the stadium to sell out 60-70K...when the past attendances dont illustrate that you could ...unless of course you want to be hypocritical and appeal to band wagon jumpers...something you constantly critisis United for?

I think the majority on here openly accept that if we achieve any modicum of success that there will be band wagon jumpers and glory hunters. The difference is that scum fans are in complete denial about this.

Increased attendances is always a by product of success. That is why the scum didn't build 75,000 all-seater stadiums in the 80s and 90s. And w.r.t. focussing on the percentage of empty seats, what you should be totally gobsmacked by is the percentage of full seats despite 34 years without a trophy. And I say gobsmacked because you and your like have no comprehension of what supporting a club is about.

 

[johnmc]

We dont need a bigger stadium yet, if we are selling out every week then i increasing the size of coms is something we could look at.

To the prospect of potentially moving to another stadium from scratch would be the worst thing to happen to us, were only just attaching some familiarity to coms and leaving their would be bluddy awful.

Once you have a run of sold out games - and i mean a decent run not 2 or 3 games, i mean 2 or 3 seasons then maybe expansion should be considered.

And then Ideally you would go up in smaller jumps rather than going from 48k to 75k. Thats a lot of extra fans to find immediately. We would be better of increasing it by 3 or 4k a time and seeing how that goes. So maybe an end first, and then the other end if it orks out. Not sure if thats feasible with our stadium though.

 

[Colins Bellend]

The tram situation in Germany for Shalke is subsidised by local government as a "Green " policy
cutting emissions so i am lead to believe

 

[johnmc]

The tram situation in Germany for Shalke is subsidised by local government as a "Green " policy
cutting emissions so i am lead to believe

So if they were to do that then they would do it for the rags as well - which they have yet to do. Also people who are going the veledrome as well - or the MEN for a gig.

 

[Mental_blue]

Season ticketes WERE reduced, okay maybe not for all but there was a reduction. Many other cubs do that?
Yes, a one-off but it was still done
Yes you had to buy a shirt but if you are going to buy a shirt anyway then it is free.
Just common sense but who else did it for us and who else in the league has it? Very few - if any.

I am sure if you say to a Schalke fan that we are thinking of this he would also say 'common sense really'.

I am not saying that you are wrong about the free metro - just saying don't dismiss it out of hand because you cannot judge our owners by the standards of other owners in the league and other owners we have had previously. Metrolink won't lose out as they will get the money off the club and if the club are willing to fork out, then why not.

I work for a company that has sites in a number of different locations in the UK. In some of those cities it has negotiated free travel on the buses for its staff. If they can do it on a daily basis then I don't believe it is beyond the realms of possibility for ADUG to do it once a fortnight as it will cost them a drop in the ocean and will bring returns as previously discussed.

Well most clubs did introduce discounts on season tickets this year due to the economic climate.

Whilst a fiver was cheap a lot of other clubs also do cup tickets for £10 and Spurs i think gave season ticket holders their first 3 cup games free.

And if you werent going to buy a shirt which a lot of people don't then it wasnt free.

Common sesnse as in someone with a decent business mind came in and said our customers shouldnt be waiting in the rain - not rocket science really.

Anyway as someone has stated that is all in the clubs control. The metro isnt. Will they agree to subsidised travel for city fans? How much would it be - lets say the council just turn around and say well we want £2.50 for everyone person who is eligable for the free travel. Thats 48k at £2.50 every game = £120k x 19 league games and thats over £1m a year. The owners will expect a full house anyway with all the money on the playing staff side so why would they incentivise more?

Also, you can see problems with people who don't use the tram - well i know someone who saves £4.50 as they come from altrincham whereas I travel from Glossop and have to drive as there is no tram. That costs me £5 in petrol and £5 to park. Thats a £15 swing.

A lot of people are expecting all sorts from the owners because they are so rich but they didnt get rich by spending unnecessarily.

John, looks like you and me probably sit on the opposite sides of the half empty/ half full pint glass :-)

I'm not one of those expecting all sorts, I'm just saying don't dismiss it coz it seems like a totally weird idea - especially as it originated from the club itself.