johnny crossan
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Carlos is out of fashion again I see!
Starting XI for next season, your prediction.
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-----------------------Hart-----------------------
--Richards----Kompany--Lescott/Savic-----Clichy--
---------------De Jong----Yaya-------------------
-Aguero---------------Silva---------------Balotelli-
----------------------Dzeko----------------------
--Richards----Kompany--Lescott/Savic-----Clichy--
---------------De Jong----Yaya-------------------
-Aguero---------------Silva---------------Balotelli-
----------------------Dzeko----------------------
HellasLEAF
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why are we putting our two best strikers on the wings and leaving Dzeko up front?
mancitydreamteam
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Hart
Richards kompany lescott/savic clichy
De jong yaya
Silva Nasri
Aguero
Dzeko/mario
Richards kompany lescott/savic clichy
De jong yaya
Silva Nasri
Aguero
Dzeko/mario
----------------------HART----------------------
-RICHARDS----KOMPANY----LESCOTT----CLICHY-
----------------YAYA------DE JONG-------------
------SILVA------------------------BALOTELLI--
-----------------AGUERO------------------------
--------------------------DZEKO----------------
-RICHARDS----KOMPANY----LESCOTT----CLICHY-
----------------YAYA------DE JONG-------------
------SILVA------------------------BALOTELLI--
-----------------AGUERO------------------------
--------------------------DZEKO----------------
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joforlife said:
Excellent formation and choice of players. But it seems like Mancini still wants Nasri (or another attacking midfielder)...and if we get Nasri. I would say that the formation is more like this:
----------------------HART---------------------
-RICHARDS----KOMPANY----LESCOTT----CLICHY-
----------------YAYA------DE JONG-------------
------NASRI----------------------------SILVA---
-----------------AGUERO------------------------
--------------------------DZEKO----------------
BINGO! But I am hoping that is MataBlueCityfan said:
And the formation looks like this
----------------------HART---------------------
-RICHARDS----KOMPANY----LESCOTT----CLICHY-
--------------------DE JONG-------------
-----MATA-------YAYA----------SILVA--------
-------------------AGUERO-------------------
--------------------------DZEKO-------------
----------------------HART---------------------
-RICHARDS----KOMPANY----SAVIC----CLICHY-
----------------YAYA------DE JONG-------------
------NASRI----------------------------SILVA---
-----------------BALOTELLI------------------------
--------------------------AGUERO----------------
^_^
-RICHARDS----KOMPANY----SAVIC----CLICHY-
----------------YAYA------DE JONG-------------
------NASRI----------------------------SILVA---
-----------------BALOTELLI------------------------
--------------------------AGUERO----------------
^_^
birchwoodgingerste
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Dax777 said:
good tieam,but swap ballotelli for dzeko i like dzeko but i think we are more threatening with balo making forward runs .
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Dax777 said:
Sorry to ruin the party Dax. :D But i think Nasri rightfully is the player Mancini wants.
Right-footed...but he is often called both-footed. Because his both feet are so strong. Thats a very good thing.
Nasri is also very effective when it comes to finishing. And he is capable of scoring alot of goals. And he is pretty creative aswell.
I think Nasri is a much better choice for the right-midfield spot. I dont know why you want Mata. Very good player but in this situation i dont think he can fit in.
You are not ruining the party Nothing more enjoyable than a discussion of the strenghts and weaknesses of players :)BlueCityfan said:
I know Mancini has talked about him, but his want may simply be a function of Nasri's availability. Notice how all our captures have been players who wanted to leave their clubs. Mata of fact (see what I did there? :P) It seems we are only targetting such players. Now that Mata looks like he is willing and wanting to move, he could become a target too.
He shoots well with his left, but he is predominantly a rightfooter.
exactly, Mata is even more effective at Scoring, and scores more goals than Nasri. And he is also a superior creator. Which by the way Nasri really isn't that good at. He doesn't see the field as well, and depends a lot on dribbling out of jams, than finding the intelligent pass.
I think Nasri is a much better choice for the right-midfield spot. I dont know why you want Mata. Very good player but in this situation i dont think he can fit in.[/quote] Based on how we played in the past (i.e. Playing 3 AMs behind a lone striker, Mata is far more accomplished at this (i.e. that is how Valencia plays predominantly) Nasri on the other hand plays in a wide striker 433 or a CM 433. Similar, but not the same! Mata plays seamlessly accross the AM line, and has an eye for getting open, and a pass. Something Nasri doesn't have. Nasri is more of a take on the defender to score guy. More indivisualism, than team oriented football.
Mata is just a superior footballer to Nasri. Too bad we seem to be all in for Nasri. Granted both are good players, but we would do far better with Mata than we will with Nasri in the long run. Not to mention, Mata will be way cheaper.
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I don't really see it. Mata is smaller and faster, a better team player, but there's no doubt in my mind that Nasri has more outright ability to pass and finish accurately, strongly. He might even be a more effective dribbler despite the speed disadvantage.
If pushed I'd accept that Mata might have more potential but he's still playing in u21 tournaments. Nasri has been doing it for a while against the Utds, Chelsea, and of course in the CL.
Mata is just like Silva. A team player and facilitator. We could have 4 of these guys, pass the ball beautifully and never score the goals. He's inferior to Silva, so what's the point?
Nasri is the guy who might go missing, but frequently makes the breakthrough on his own. He's superior to AJ and would complement Silva and Yaya. That's why we're in for him.
Mata's the better passer, its one of his strongest aspects of his game. Nasri is known to have inconsistent first touch, suspect passing and vision. Mata is also a natural goal scorer. Refuting this means you don't watch Mata much. He was a striker at Madrid and has very good shooting technique and position. Mata scores, mate.
Are you forgetting that he was part of the world's best national squad? The squad that won the world cup last year? The only reason Mata is playing in the u21 is because they needed experienced players and they asked him if he wanted to play and contribute because he was still eligible.
That's the role he's more of less taken on since Silva's departure. But it highlights another thing. Mata can also play as a playmaker. IMO, he's equally as effective as a sort of second striker-ish role. In the event that Silva gets injured, we have a player that can take his place without a hitch so we don't lose our bite in the attack.
Mata brings forth consistency. Nasri? Not so much. Nasri had a 6 month streak of form that greatly hyped him because of MOTD highlights. Nasri making the breakthrough? FFS, what about Mata! Watch this lad more, mate.
FInish, maybe. But pass? Absolutely not. Mata sees things as quickly as Silva does. Perhaps even quicker, coz he is not as calm as Silva. Yet his vision is impeccable. And his movemnt is superior to Nasri's. Nasri is a better dribbler.Chick Counterfly said:
Like he said in his interview, unlike many, he doesnt see under 21 as a step down, it is just a different competition and a different challenge. And he is always up for football. That is an intoxicating mentality. Messi is the same way. Even if it is against the homeless, he wants to play. Nasri on the other hand is a bit of a premadonna.
A general misconception. Mata is like SIlva, only in the sense that he comes from a Spanish footballing tradition. It is like saying Villa is like SIlva or Fabregas is like Silva. None of these guys are similar, albeit they all have the culture of intelligent passing and playing team oriented football.
He however has his strenghts which are unlike Silva's. He is a fabulous goal poacher. Understands movement inside and around the opponents box. He is faster, and a better crosser of the ball. Yes his passing touch and vision may be inferior to Silva's, but that doesn't make him an inferior SIlva. No more than the knowledge of Nasri's inferior passing and vision makes him an inferior Silva.
Nasri is the guy who might go missing, but frequently makes the breakthrough on his own. He's superior to AJ and would complement Silva and Yaya. That's why we're in for him.[/quote] Mata is superior to AJ too, and will complement Silva and Yaya better than Nasri, because 1) they all understand the same system, and 2) he is a fastbreak specialist and adaptable. Would he take on 4 - 5 defenders like Nasri does? No, But this doesn't mean his overall contribution and goals, will not dwarf Nasri's.<br /><br />-- Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:16 pm --<br /><br />
Wild guess? Mata!Kurple said:
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Dax777 said:
I'd agree that Mata has better vision. Like I say, he's a natural playmaking winger. Movement is better and his understanding of the team is better. I think Nasri's raw talent is underestimated, Mata is lovely and neat but Nasri has shown a bit more ability to manipulate the ball. He's more flamboyant so he is less consistent.
I'd agree that I like Mata's attitude. But a primadonna is sometimes just the ticket. The point about the u21 is just that Nasri has done it on a bigger stage. There is a benefit to having that experience in your dressing room, and players who the opposition recognise as having hurt them in the past.
Mata, 5'6, 60kg(ish), very left footed, facilitator with superb vision, has the spanish game imprinted on the inside of his skull. Favourite position, free role starting on the left wing.
Silva, 5'7, 65kg, very left footed, facilitator with superb vision, has the spanish game imprinted on the inside of his skull. Favourite position, free role starting on the left wing.
Yes, there are some substantial differences, but for goodness sakes stop trying to tell me they aren't similar.
Yes he can poach. You could make a bit of a fool of yourself by saying he's superior to Silva, I doubt many people in world football would agree that he's near that level, yet.
It's horses for courses. We don't need another left footed creative player and finisher nearly as much as we need the option of right footed dribbler and creative player.
Daz_Blue
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HART
RICHARDS KOMPANY LESCOTT CLICHY
DEYONG YAYA
NASRI SNEIJDER SILVA
AGUERO
SUBS FROM TAYLOR ZAB KOLAROV SAVIC BARRY MILNER AJ DZEKO BALOTELLI GUIDETTI SWP K TOURE CERCI
RICHARDS KOMPANY LESCOTT CLICHY
DEYONG YAYA
NASRI SNEIJDER SILVA
AGUERO
SUBS FROM TAYLOR ZAB KOLAROV SAVIC BARRY MILNER AJ DZEKO BALOTELLI GUIDETTI SWP K TOURE CERCI
Daz_Blue
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pudge said:
Typo ....you know who I meant :)