Sterling and the hate he gets

shevtheblue said:
If you look at carefully, the knee of 5 catches the back of Sterling's knee, that knocks him to the left slightly onto the oncoming defender which takes him out. It's 100% a penalty, i don't think either of the defenders meant to take him out but it is what it is.
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I agree. I admit at first I thought it was soft and if given against us I'd be a bit pissed off....but.....there is contact from both sides and when you're slaloming at speed between two defenders, any clever footballer will make the most of that if there is contact. He didn't dive (IMHO) because diving implies there is no contact and that isn't the case. It's very intelligent play in several aspects, including having the guts to run at/between defenders at speed when they are completely knackered and out on their feet. Sterling's brain was well and truly switched on. Not a stonewaller I grant you, but a penalty nonetheless.
 
Cityfan1977 said:
As soon as Sterling went down for the pen I knew what all of us would be reading in the media the next day.
Pen or not it was a soft pen granted but I am 100 % that no other player in the world would be
called diver for this from so many.
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I think that you're far too sensitive.

Many, many players - most players? - would have gone down here as Sterling did.

For me, this wasn't a penalty - but it's not a dive. Sterling felt contact and went down - hoping for a penalty decision. He got the decision - I don't think it was a penalty - but due to some contact - it wasn't' a dive.
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Any other player having gone down would have received similar scrutiny - this particular incident, IMO, has nothing at all to do with the player involved - Sterling - as opposed to what observers think about what transpired.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
Did lineker dive for his two penalties against Cameroon? He was a hero after earning these two.





It's clearly a subjective topic, with the answer usually aligned to if you like them or not.

For me Sterling was our hero, he didnt even dive! He won us that game, stopped it going to penalties. Without him we were floundering, even Grealish. Sterling was the difference between failing yet another semi final.

But he's a villain - Mainly due to these fuckers putting cats amongst pigeons for clicks and popularity

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What’s done is done. No doubt Sterling will carry this with him for some time and get beaten up by the usual suspects every time he takes a tumble. We know that, as City we have to live with the double / triple standards and comments, Sterling in particular.

Having re- watched the old Lineker footage I do think the second penalty was a now named ‘modern’ leg dangle penalty. GT is correct that jug ears was never castigated for his actions.

Lets just bask in last nights England victory but spare a moment to ask a critical question.…..From the Lineker footage it’s clear that the game today has lost the prancing, demonstrative, flamboyant referees whose exaggerated body and arm movements are simply a joy.

Someone on here once posted the brilliant footage of the Brazilian ref Clesio Moreira dos Santos. He was the master of flamboyance and was known affectionately in Brazil as ‘the daisy’ In that less PC age.

Forget the angst over the modern penalty and Sterling last night and bring back the dancing refs I say. Some of the Euro games would have been infinitely more entertaining with one of them officiating.
 
Cityfan1977 said:
As soon as Sterling went down for the pen I knew what all of us would be reading in the media the next day.
Pen or not it was a soft pen granted but I am 100 % that no other player in the world would be
called diver for this from so many.
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We are not yet an "establishment club"....its to be expected. So the swathes of fans of these clubs will expectedly be utterly biased. Its annoying for now but will be gone in a generation.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Exactly. England pundits are biased, but the Welsh and Scottish ones were fucking embarrassing. But because it's plucky Scotland or Wales, they get away with it more.

To be fair, I've not seen any actual England fans criticising Sterling, even on Twitter. Click on their name, and they're almost to a man bitter Celts.
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Maybe its a case of hearing what we want to hear but honestly the English commentators are just as bad. I agree with you that last night it was nice to see people defending the players against trolls and idiots and fans of all clubs doing it. I think you are assuming that all of the other countries fans don't want you to win when its not the case. It probably isn't out of love for England but an Arsenal fan in Wales would want Saka to win for example. I agree with you about Sterling yesterday all the fan voted polls I saw had him as MOTM and plenty of praise with people saying he should get player of the tournament.
 
Kane was made MOTM last night. He wasn't Raz was. He had a fantastic game. There will be different points of view on the penalty decision but any player in the box, getting knocked twice, would go down. Name one that wouldn't.
 
Everyone in the office is waxing lyrical about Raz and asking "how come he doesn't play like this for you lot"?
 
danielwood5 said:
It would be interesting to know whether the penalty was awarded against the number 5 or 24.
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The pen was awarded to Sterling from the initial contact made by Maehle (5) as he was adjudged to have conceded the penalty.

(He was also the player that was deducted a point in the Euro Fantasy Football game from the live events)
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
Did lineker dive for his two penalties against Cameroon? He was a hero after earning these two.





It's clearly a subjective topic, with the answer usually aligned to if you like them or not.

For me Sterling was our hero, he didnt even dive! He won us that game, stopped it going to penalties. Without him we were floundering, even Grealish. Sterling was the difference between failing yet another semi final.

But he's a villain - Mainly due to these fuckers putting cats amongst pigeons for clicks and popularity

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Fucking England B international Sutton is a twat
 
got told constantly last night that sterling was shit and the Gordon Ramsey ov Trafford should be on
 
chickaroon said:
Kane was made MOTM last night. He wasn't Raz was. He had a fantastic game. There will be different points of view on the penalty decision but any player in the box, getting knocked twice, would go down. Name one that wouldn't.
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He wasn’t wrong to do down. All
Players would. He would not have been given that playing for us, that’s for sure!

For me the ref should be at least 90% sure to give a pen. I actually think VAR should be used to overrule pens when they are not given and should have been. They could have looked at that after the event and given it if it was clear.

They rarely overrule refs who give them due to this clear and obvious error malarkey and I’m convinced they don’t want to make the refs look stupid. Fortunately for us we were the beneficiaries but Denmark probably felt very hard done to.
 
chickaroon said:
Kane was made MOTM last night. He wasn't Raz was. He had a fantastic game. There will be different points of view on the penalty decision but any player in the box, getting knocked twice, would go down. Name one that wouldn't.
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They won't put alot of thought into the MOTM.

They see Kane's pre-assist to Saka for first goal and the penalty goal, so technically he had a hand in both of England's goals and say well that's more than anybody else so he wins it.

He was fairly invisible outside those moments, I'll give him credit for the first goal, it was a good pass. But scoring a rebound penalty is nothing special.

Walker and Sterling did more than Kane to earn it.
 
So so many players go down easily. Kane was being praised for buying free kicks last night. Going back earlier little Micky Owen dived in a World Cup game against Argentina. Not a word.

the coverage Raz gets is due to bias and racism - conscious or not
 
I think Raheem is overrated at times on here, but the shit the lad has to put up with, even now, is fuckin deplorable, and I'll always back the lad 100% over that, it's actually starting to remind me of the treatment Sonny Liston got way back, he's been cast as 'the villain', and no matter what he does, it seems that will always be his lingering legacy, and it's such a shame because as a person I think he's a really good lad, and has shown such great strength of character, class and respect, many times to those who really don't deserve it.

Keep smiling Raheem !
 
I’ve been as vocal as anyone about Sterling’s lack of technical quality, his lack of ball control, first touch, finishing, running down blind alleys, etc, etc, etc.

That said, STERLING DID NOT DIVE!

Anyone who has played the game understands what “drawing contact” means in the modern game. You’d be called a “soft bastard” and worse in days gone by, but today he drew contact BY DRIVING BETWEEN PLAYERS.

The choice of BOTH Danes was to try to stop him. The first challenge was from his right and caught him on the right side of his right leg. The second challenge was from the left and was a body block at about hip height. By then, Sterling was going to ground because he had drawn contact.

From there, it’s a matter of how the game is being refereed. I think the Ref took a beat and decided there was ENOUGH CONTACT for him to blow.

From there, I was surprised VAR didn’t send him to the monitor. However, they usually don’t if VAR SEES WHAT THE REF TELLS THEM HE SAW!

The total and complete hypocrisy of those that are now calling Sterling a diver…many of them English pundits and ex-players…are the worst offenders! Are these the same players who never claimed a corner when they knew it was a goal kick, or a throw-in to them when it was definitely for the opposition, or held their face as if hit when merely “touched” or “brushed” not hit? The same players who also went down easily under contact to get themselves out of a pickle?

Seriously, it is delusional for these pricks to NOW be stealing a living on TV by being complete hypocrites on THE key moment in the game.

Was it a ”soft” penalty, in that it was not clearly a trip, push or other obvious direct free kick offence?
Absolutely!

Was it the current definition of “a dive”?
Absolutely not!
 
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Cityfan1977 said:
No I dont think so
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Absolutely - he was 'hit' from both sides, so why stay up?
Importantly, you can see from that replay that he STILL had the ball under control and if number 24 hadn't come in to finish off the job, he'd have got to the ball. (Irrelevant whether he would have produced anything thereafter.)
It was a nailed on penalty - as the ref decided instantly, and VAR didn't see fit to overturn it.
Also, earlier today, someone wrote on Blue Moon that when the first tackle went in, Sterling's right leg didn't move, but, it clearly does.
For me, it's not even a soft penalty - it's clear cut....As it was for the referee!
He was fouled twice, so fuckoff all you doubters!
We won 2-1, btw :-)
 
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